Re: On the ordering of some PIE rules

From: tgpedersen
Message: 49123
Date: 2007-06-23

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
> >
> > On 2007-06-07 21:33, tgpedersen wrote:
> >
> > > Did you want to comment on my proposal for PIE spirantization or
> > > not?
> >
> > Not in the last posting, but in one of the earliest ones I
> > admitted the possibility that *p and *k had fricative allophones
> > (before *t and *s) well before Grimm's Law.
>
> Throw in *t and a rule which turns spirants into sibilants (ð > z, þ >
> s) before stop and you can give up complicated affricativizations of
> dental + dental to explain West-IE -ss-, East-IE -st-.
>
> A few details: the verbal adjective that does service as ppp is a
> thematic end-stressed adjective: *<stem>-tó-. They come in pairs
> (tómos/tomós) with stem-stressed nouns. According to me, both are
> generalizations of a non-thematic nom. *<stém>-t-s, gen.
> *<stem>-tó-s.
> I think that in those languages which had a phase of initial stress
> (West-IE), the paradigm of stems ending in dental was generalized on
> the nom., which was initial-stressed already, with the result
> *<stem>-ss-o-, in the rest the gen. etc was generalized, with result
> *<stem>-st-ó-.


Note Latin oss < *ost-s, but Greek ostéon "bone" (and Latin o:s
"mouth" vs. ostium "mouth of river"?). This might be evidence that
nom. -´ss vs. obl. -st´- was already PIE.


Torsten