Re: [tied] Dnghu.org and "Modern" Indo-European

I went to the Europaio website and there they have a description of how to produce the voiced aspirated stops. There are ways to distinguish voiced breathiness from vowels, as described in the methods to produce voiced aspirates on this website, but the descriptions offered are highly technical, difficult to follow, and suggest vocalizations that are very difficult for Europeans to produce, who are unaccustomed to the production of such sounds.

But anyway, how did you find out about Dnghu.org?

"C. Darwin Goranson" <cdog_squirrel@...> wrote:

--- In cybalist@... s.com, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@ ...>
wrote:
>
> I went to Dnghu.org and was astounded at what I found there. You
see, in my spare time as a hobby I "invent" or fashion languages that
theoretically could have evolved from Proto-Indo-European , with the
idea that they might one day become real, international languages
akin to Esperanto (even if only in my dreams). So when I found that
there is a whole organization devoted to a very similar goal (they
use actual Indo-European rather than a hypothetical descendant of
it), I felt validated as a human being. I always thought that I was
probably the only human being who had this hobby, which I often feel
is somewhat silly and embarrassing. It's a tremendous vindication to
know that there are people who take this idea very seriously and have
done much work and publication towards this goal. Nevertheless, I
think modernized Proto-Indo-European is far too complicated, and has
sounds (voiced aspirates) that are too difficult to produce, to ever
succeed as an international
> auxiliary language. Languages like Esperanto, Ido, and
Interlingua are simply very much easier for the average European to
master, especially as regards vocabulary and (lack of) inflectional
endings.
>
> That said, where is your translation of "Ode to Joy"? You said
you were uploading it, but it is not available at my computer,
through Yahoo!. I would very much like to read it.

It's in the Files section, and is named "PIE Ode to Joy.rtf"
Regarding the voiced aspirates, they take a bit of getting use to,
but they're still used in several Indian languages. Also, English has
voiceless aspirated stops when at the very start of a syllable, right
next to a vowel; compare the words "car" and "scar", and you'll hear
a difference.