Re: -tlo- vs -tro- (was: rtl)
From: stlatos
Message: 49085
Date: 2007-06-20
I will use conventional PIE forms even though telling some of my
changes may make some points clearer later.
*skWetlos 'tale' > OI scél; Welsh chwedl
Why not **sekWtlos? This isn't an aberration; many roots of CVC
when the second C is a stop show:
*sghetlos > Skt ks.atrá-; Av xs^aTra- 'dominion'
*sghetlyos > Skt ks.atríya- 'sovereign'; Hom. G skhétlios '~ forceful,
heedless'
This seems the same as:
*sgWhetos 'holding in (participle)', *n,+ 'without _, not (able to) be
held in' > Av azgata-; G áskhetos
This is opposed to:
*segYhtor+ > Hékto:r
And this is not a result of the following C, since:
*sgWhenos 'holding down/in (adj.), winning (in wrestling)' > G sthénos
'strength'
even though there are plenty of adj. in C-no-.
This is part of the ev. showing a series of PIE forms in *-etos,
*-enos, *-etlos, with a particular group of meanings. The form *-etos
makes participles of verbs of movement (or not moving, specifically);
*-etlos is the causative. *-enos is the adjective, but with the
relation between noun and adj. in PIE it can often form nouns.
Stops ending the root stay before *-etos, others move so *-eCtos is
formed. Particular combinations may show other forms; it's
complicated by both full- and 0-grade existing, not always showing
both, some unclear as to origin.
In conventional PIE terms, CVGC appear as CíCetos or CúCetos as:
*gWíxWotos *gWíxWt(e)+ > G bíotos; L vi:ta
*bhúxatlos bhúxtl(e)+ > OE botl; Slavic *bu:dlod > Czech bydlo
'dwelling', etc.
This is completely diff. than the treatment of *-tor- and *-tro-.