Re: *eH3k'u- 'swift; accipiter, doe, wind, hawk'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Alvin Ekmekciu" <a96_aeu@>

wrote:

> > > >
> > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > > > <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > ...2. Alb. <erë> `wind'
> > > > > from *o:k'-ro, a substantivized adjective (cf. ak'-ro,

beside

> > *ak'-u-
> > > > > ): Sl jastreb `hawk'. (Pokorny o:k'u-s 775.)
> > > >
> > > > What about Alb. <erë> 'wind' deriving from any PIE word with

the

> > > > meaning "to turn" like *wert- or *werp- ?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Alvin
> > > ************
> > > About Sl jastreb 'hawk' and Alb sutë see
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/44130 and

other

> > > posts regarding this issue.
> > >
> > > Alb erë 'wind' is usually explained from reconstructed non

attested

> > > Rom form *aira (Meyer). My view is that this basic word is
> > inherited,
> > > but about it later.
> > >
> > > Konushevci
> > >
> >
> > Your etymology of sutë as *o:k'u-peteH2 'swift flyer' is a non-

sense

> > due to the fact that in Romanian it has also the meaning 'without
> > horns'
> >
> > Romanian c^ut& < tswuta: < tsu:ta: < k'uh-t-eh2 < k'uh-to 'the

cuted

> > one' (-> 'without horns one')
> >
> > To be sure that I'm right : Romanian has also the verb c^unti 'to

cut

> > off, to short' etc...
> >
> > Marius
> ************
> First, *H3ek'u-peteH2 > Alb sutë 'doe < swift flyer' (OAED, 792) is
> not my etymology, even I will be proud to be mine. As I have said

it's

> Huld's etymology and he compared it with Greek okupétes.
> So, to claim that this etymology is nonsense, despite unhidden

support

> you have from Gasiarowski and Wordingham, I think could be
> characterized, at least, as bad behavior, to not say that it

confines

> with savage, bestiality.

1. I think that is the time to learn to be polite, even if you are in
Pristina, a violent place, this cannot be an excuse from you.
I wonder myself how you can be so nervous and so violent to arrive to
write words like the above. Is the violence there so high?

A 'bad behavior' consists in not to agree with your etymology?

2. I said that that etymology is 'a non-sense' with the argument
that 'without horns' meaning EXISTS for Romanian c^ut& and we have
the verb 'a c^unti' 'to cut off'. Somebody that know this need to
follow this meaning not to ignore it.


3. Next because the derivation c^ut& < tswuta: < tsu:ta: < k'uh-t-
eh2 < k'uh-to 'the cuted one' is a regular one (in oposition with the
other one)


4. I don't know what Piotr or Richard have to do with my posting
because : I didn't talk with them before to write my message and I
don't know there opinion on this topic.
Seems that you have a fix ideea with this.

> Alb shyt I adj. 1 (of horned animals) missing horns 2 (of a vessel)
> missing its handle/spout/neck 3 blunt on top
> II n livestock animal missing its horns
> III pred 1 with a flat/even surface; blunt on top 2 half done,
> interrupted in the middle 3 (Fig) collapsed lik an emty sack:limp.
> shyta np fem (Med) mumps (epidemic parotitis)
> shytan adj (of an animal) missing its horns, polled
> shytë nf. adj (Colloq) flat-nosed (turck/lorry). (OAED, 854).
> Everybody could notice that Alb sutë and shyt(ë) as phonetically, as
> semantically have nothing in common. I am aware that Orel have said
> that it is identical with shutë, that is not true and there is no

case

> where forms with initial s- correspond to forms with initial sh-.
>
> Konushevci

'Everybody could notice ?'
NOT EVERYBODY. Do not write wrong information here...

shyt& and sut& is from a long time considered having the same
origin=> see Rosetti, that is one of best source regarding the
classification of the common Albanian-Romanian inherited lexicon

I have explain you why above.

So is not Orel the source of this idea: this is the common etymology
accepted today. And I don't see why we need to reject it.

Marius