Re: Northwest *kVl-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Peter P" <roskis@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > > Häkkinen contends that Finnish 'kieli' is of FU origin <*ke:le.
> > >
> > > Estonian keel
> > > Nor. Lap giella'
> > > Mordvin kel'
> > > Votyak kyl
> > > Ostyak ket
> > > Yurak-Samoyedic s'ie
> > >
> >
> > So either some Uralic language is a substrate of NWBlock or I'd
> > have to give up the claim.
> > 1) My Estonian - Danish dictionary says for keel,-e "language,
> > tongue; string"; are both those senses included for the members of
> > the set you mention, or are there more wordsets involved?
>
> They all mean tongue/language

And nothing else?

> except 'ket' - word.

And that word means?

> > 2) Is there a similar claim for Estonian kael,-a "neck"?
> >
>
> Estonian kael, and Finnish kaula - neck, are of Baltic origin.
>
> Lith. kaklas
> Latv. kalks

and
Latin collus/collum,
PGerm. *xalsa-

And therefore the Baltic Finnic words (I assume they are not Uralic)
are loans from Baltic?


Torsten