Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: On the ordering of some PIE rules

I hear /o/ in <or>, to me it's very different from the
/O/ in US pronunciation of <sorry> /sORiy/, borrow
/bORow/, tomorrow /tumORow, t@.../, etc.
I lived in Portland and Eugene in the late 70s and
early 80s and I heard what sounded like a flatter and
more standard version of Midwestern English. I was
born and grew up in Dayton, Ohio, but my parents were
from West Virginia. My doctorate is from Texas. I've
lived in western PA, far upstate NY, AZ, NE, in
various parts of the South (GA, SC, MS) and now I live
in Delaware (although I'm in El Salvador for now). So
I've dealt with many regional accents.


--- "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:

> At 9:40:40 PM on Thursday, June 7, 2007, Rick
> McCallister wrote:
>
> > In the US, the pronunciation is definitely /or/
> and
> > not /Or/.
>
> This is meaningless until you explain what words you
> think
> contain phonemes /o/ and /O/. In the Fromkin &
> Rodman
> system, which is widely used for AmE, /O/ is the
> vowel of
> <or> and <more>, and /o/ is the vowel of <so> and
> <code>.
> In terms of phones rather than phonemes, the usual
> rhotic
> U.S. pronunciation of <or> is definitely [Or], not
> [or].
>
> > I have never heard anyone in the last 40 years or
> so
> > distinguish pore and poor anywhere in the US.
>
> And outside the south I have rarely heard anyone
> *not*
> distinguish them in that time. (I'm 59.)
>
> > In the Midwest, where I grew up pore and poor are
> > pronounced the same,
>
> The Midwest is a big place; I have no doubt that
> parts of it
> had the poor-pore merger when you were growing up.
> Other
> parts didn't.
>
> > also in the NW and SW (where I lived many years)
> and in
> > the Mid-Atlantic where I live now.
>
> I was born in the Pacific Northwest, and both of my
> parents
> were from there; I was quite startled the first time
> I heard
> someone pronounce <poor> as if it were spelled
> <pore>.
>
> Brian
>
>
>

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