Re: [tied] tt/st/ss

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 48858
Date: 2007-06-05

The PIE form of these words can't include *dzt
because their outcomes often show *t>0, leaving the
other as d, not *dz.

The cluster dtr was simplified to dr in many
languages and then this word's irregular paradigm
split in meaning:

u_dtèró+s u_dtr(e)+ 'outer, sticking out, belly'

u_dtèryó+s u_dtri+ 'in the belly, internal organ'

so:

u_dtèró+s u_dtr(e)+ > u_ttèró+s u_dr(e)+ >

u_ttèró+s u_ttr(e)+ & u_dèró+s u_dr(e)+

each new paradigm with a particular meaning.

*u_ttèrós > Skt úttara- 'upper'
*u_ttèrós > Gk hústeros 'latter', hustéra: 'womb'

*u_ttèrós u_ttr+ mix> Latin uterus 'womb'

*u_ttr+ > Alb uth 'heartburn < *swollen stomach'
*Ló+ met> cullë 'belly, stomach'
*u_ttr+ > Gk hústros 'belly, stomach'

*u_dèrós > Gk huderos 'dropsy < *swollen stomach',
óderos 'belly, stomach'
*u_dèrós > Avestan, Sanskrit udara-
*u_dèrós > Latv ve:ders; Lith ve:deras 'fish guts'

*u_dr+ > OE uttera 'outer'

*u_ttèryós > TB wästarye 'liver'

*u_ttri+ [mix w en+] > venter 'belly'

The change *ttr>tr in Latin is ev. against *tstr;
Albanian shows *tt>st>ts as I argue for Western IE.

See earlier:

--- Abdullah Konushevci <akonushevci@...> wrote:

> *ud- `up, out'. 1. Alb cullë `belly, stomach,
> abdomen' from suffixed
> extended form *uds-uleH2. 2. Alb uth `heartburn,
> impetigo' from *uds-
> o: Latin uterus `abdomen, womb': Greek huderos
> `dropsy' (<*swollen
> stomach): Avestan udara `stomach': Sanskrit udara-
> `stomach' and
> *udstero-: Greek hustera: `womb', hustros `stomach',
> Toch B
> wästarye `liver'. (Pokorny u:d- 1103.)

Since d/t regularly become z/s before stops in most
IE languages I don't think any *-s suffix is needed.
The most likely change is:

udtero+s (with weak stem udtr(e)+)

udtr(e)+ ..
uttr(e)+ ..
ustr(e)+ ..
utsr(e)+ ..
utsr(e)+ .. utsLo+ (form diminutive)
utTr(e)+ .. utsLo+
utT(e)+ ... utsLo+
utT(e)+ ... tsuLo+
uT(e)+ .... tsuLo+




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