Northwest *kVl-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Peter P" <roskis@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Lerchner, Studien zum nordwestgermanischen Wortschatz has approx
> > two pages' worth on kil f. "water course, shellow ditch, river
> > bed" (obviously the origin of the many kill's around New York),
> > eg. kil, ke:l etc and compares with Germ. Kehle "throat", Kelle
> > "scoop" and Keil "wedge" (cf Est. keel, Finn. kieli "language,
> > tongue"?). These would be un-Grimm-shifted versions of the
> > kael/xal-sa- word (for some reason he left out 'tom Kiele', "at
> > the kiel", the old name for the city of Kiel). Several of the
> > cognates mean "deep water between obstacles" which makes one
> > wonder if 'keel' goes here too.
> >
>
> Häkkinen contends that Finnish 'kieli' is of FU origin <*ke:le.
>
> Estonian keel
> Nor. Lap giella'
> Mordvin kel'
> Votyak kyl
> Ostyak ket
> Yurak-Samoyedic s'ie
>

So either some Uralic language is a substrate of NWBlock or I'd have
to give up the claim.
1) My Estonian - Danish dictionary says for keel,-e "language, tongue;
string"; are both those senses included for the members of the set
you mention, or are there more wordsets involved?
2) Is there a similar claim for Estonian kael,-a "neck"?


Torsten