tt/st/ss (was: Ariovistus)

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> On 2007-05-31 00:52, stlatos wrote:
>
> > You gave an example a week ago. I'm not just
> talking about
> > Germanic, obviously Latin underwent the changes in
> the same order. I
> > said more in response to Torsten's request.

> Touché. But the example, if accepted (and it's much
> less solid than the
> evidence for *-ss-/*-s-), suggest at most that the
> development to *-st-
> was possible after *-r- (or more generally next to
> *-r-?), perhaps
> *[-rts-t-] > *-rst- instead of the usual "Western"
> treatment of
> *[-ts-t-] > *-ts(t)s- *> *-ss-.

Latin does show tt>ss>s after r. I can't come to
any other conclusion than an intermediate tt>st, which
had similar (though probably not identical) metathesis
in Italic, Celtic, and Germanic.

There's no reason to assume a PIE stage of tt>tst.
This would mean that d(h)t>tt already, but Baltic and
Slavic show that devoicing before voiceless stops
hadn't occurred yet (among others); Sanskrit shows
dht>ddh.

> The 'wrist' example
> is unconvincing, as
> the underlying root is more likely *wreik^-.

Why? This would assume *wrikY+s+ti+s, what's the
first *s doing there? A meaning of 'bending forward,
rolling' seems to allow a match with Lith. risti 'to
roll'; but no other examples of *wrikYstis.





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