RE : [tied] Re: Ariovistus was not an "Aryan"

From: patrick cuadrado
Message: 48793
Date: 2007-05-30

One Suggestion about Ario-Uistus
I think it's a Celtic word
Are/Ari- = before
Uid-/Uida-/Uidi- = Sight < Knowledge
So Ario-Uistus < anticipates man (warrior quality) or the man knows/guess beforhand
I think Cesar said Ariovuistus speak Celtic and his wife was a Noric Princess < Celtic too
 

tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> a écrit :


> > > Also, one should bear in mind that a consensus has emerged among
> > > Indo-Europeanists in recent years, that the Proto-Indo-Iranian
> > > terms *ari-, *arya-/a:rya- and derivatives have no reflexes in
> > > other branches of IE.
> >
> > Are you sure Ariovist knew that?
>
>
> I think we can exclude that the Ario- segment in the Latinized
> anthroponym Ariovistus may be related to Proto-Indo-Iranian *ari- >
> *arya-/a:rya- .

I don't.

> Ario- (< *Hario- according to Pokorny p. 67) is most likely from
> Germanic *harjaz 'army'.

'Most likely' because?

> The article on Ariovistus in Wikipedia is very informative in this
> respect. It contains this useful warning in particular:

Why all the value judgements? Running out of facts?

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ariovistus# Etymology
> "Beginning with Friedrich Schlegel, one theory identified Ario- with
> Aryan connecting it with German Ehre, 'honor'. The theory has not
> been substantiated in the 150 and more years since its inception by
> Schlegel; meanwhile it became a brick in the ideological temple
> erected by the Nazi party in Germany (now outlawed) and their
> adherents then and now abroad."

Sigh, here we go again. So the identification of German Ehre with
Ario- is part of a Nazi ideological brick temple. How is this relevant
here?

Torsten




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