[tied] Re: *wogwh-ni ‘ploughshare’

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2007-05-04 02:21, stlatos wrote:
>
> > Which words do you think come from *sup-nó- not *swép-no-?
>
>
>
> > Greek doesn't have the correct accent,
>
> That's why I'd admit your explanation for Greek. On the other hand, the
> accent of the noun may well be contrastive (adj. supnó- --> n. súpno-).
> The zero grade is also visible in Albanian and possibly Tocharian (see
> below).

How can you possibly be sure? The history of Alb isn't clear enough
for you to see u in a certain environment that rounds o>u in a closely
related language and be sure it shows PIE *u. If o>u between certain
rounded sounds in Alb (the point I was trying to prove by examples
such as Greek) it could have wu>u as well. Doesn't gjum require
accent on the first syllable also? There doesn't seem to be any
evidence for accented *supnós at all.

> > Arm k'un seems to need
> > sw-, if Baltic is different from Slavic that seems like a late
> > date for analogy.
>
> Not if both words coexisted, perhaps originally with different

shades of

> meaning (e.g. 'sleep' vs. 'dream, trance') which later merged as one of
> the forms was lost. Cf. Tocharian, where we have *s.w'&p(&)ne (TB

s.pane

> 'sleep') < *swepno- vs. *s&mne (in the TB derivative sänmetstse
> 'entranced') < *supno-.

The Toch forms just seem to show metathesis (*swep > *s.op > *s.pa
just like *septm, > s.pät (and/or contamination w 'six'?)) in one word
but not in another (*swepnyo+m > *swopniyo+m + to+ >> *sopniyto+ >
*samnitya+).

If you are advocating:

swepnos
sw&pnos
sw&p&nos
swp&nos
sp&nos

etc.

I'd like to know why 0>& / p_n occurs in one word and not another (or
whatever additional rules you propose).