--- In
cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Jens Elmegård Rasmussen <elme@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
>
> > Why should there be any original connection between *tauros and
> > *stew-x-ros? One only means 'bull' and the other 'strong/big/old
> > etc.' which could be applied to an ox or other kind of cattle but
> > is not so applied in every IE language. It seems like nothing to
> > indicate a common origin exists. Germanic is the only sub-branch
> > that could be taken to indicate *teuros beside *tauros but that's
> > almost certainly just contamination from *stew-x-ros > *steu-raz.
>
> That is not completely accurate: Stier and thjórr do mean 'bull',
> so, even if *stew(&)-ro- had other meanings too in PIE, it is
> entirely possible that it was borrowed in the restricted meaning
> 'bull'. That may even have made Semitic *Tawr- appealing as a
> Fremdwort with this specific meaning.
>
from
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Nostratica/message/90
"
The "Canberra document" (by Laurent Sagart, at [
http://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/08/50/59/PDF/canberra.pdf
] )
has among its PAN/PECL reconstructions
PAN
*(q)uRun, "horn/antler"
and further
ta?urun,u "pygmy deer" Kanakanubu
taurun,u do. Saaroa
with prefixed ta-. In other words, Semitic and IE *tawr- means "the
horned one", and is with *k-rn- perhaps a loan from a Austronesian
language (now _that_, if true, I find interesting).
from the same document:
Austronesian-Sino-Tibetan-(TP: IE) comparisons
basic vocabulary
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx PAN/PECL Old Chinese Tibeto-Burman PIE
12 horn/antler (q)uRung (a)k-rok rung=rwang *k-rn-
50 wrap around -kes (a)ket
51 bent, crooked -kuk (b)(N-)kh(r)ok kuk
53 curled, bent -kul (b)(N-)k(h)ro[r|n] kuar
cultural vocabulary
4 cage, enclosure kurung (a)k&-rong kru:n, *kr-g-,
*kr-ng-
"
PECL: Sagart's proposed Proto East Coast Linkage, lumping
Malayo-Polynesian with eastern Taiwanese Austronesian languages,
splitting it from the remaining Taiwanese Austronesian languages.
Torsten