Re: [tied] IE cockroach

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 48231
Date: 2007-04-04

--- "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:

> Greek silphe:/tilphe: (akin to Latin talpa "mole"?)

Yes, they are related. Also Welsh chwil 'beetle',
chwiler 'maggot', Gaelic fiolan / fiolar 'earwig'
all from:

* tul-x-pó+(n.)+ <
* tw(e)l-x-fwó+ derived from

* twèlxáf 'swelling' > Greek sélas

(mentioned before as below)

--- stlatos@... wrote:

> --- "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:
>
> > Does selakhos "shark" fit into these rules?
>
> It does if it is related to:
>
> *twèl+ 'swell up'
>
> *twèlxáf 'swelling > billow of fire'
>
> *twèlxáf 'swelling > billow, wave > fin?'
>
> *twèlxafn.ó+ 'swollen > full (moon)'

I'd guess the word first referred to (any) burrowing
animal that left a mound above.

This would have to be a late PIE word that is
derived from an already derived noun (that is, *
tw(e)l-x-fwó+ instead of **tw(e)l-x-wó+ from the verb
root), also shown by the restoration of banned
clusters like fw (no KWw- or Pw- previously).

This secondary cluster was also lost, with fw- > p-
but the existence of the fricative is seen in:

* tw(e)l-x-fwó+ > * tul-x-pón.+
* kY(e)r-x-fwó+ > * kY(e)r-x-frón.+ 'hornet'

* xY(e)rudhwó+ > * xYrudhró+ 'red'

(as other colors in -wó+) which indicate rules of
assimilation at a distance:

w>r / r () P_
w>r / r () uC_

And of course * kY(e)r-x-frón.+ also comes from a
noun of the same type:

* kYèrxáf 'extension > horn, head, etc.'






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