Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome - h1rh1-em-/h1rh1-o:m-

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 47823
Date: 2007-03-14

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
>
> On 2007-03-14 00:37, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > I will start with the 'worst thing': No. Piotr, you are not
right.
> >
> > The (H)RHV- roots are ones of the most problematic PIE roots:
> ...
> > For the (H)RHV-sequences (initial position) the outputs are:
> > a) the H is simply lost
> > b) the laryngeal H will be subject of the laryngeal-
metathesis
> >
> > If you know some contra-examples please post them here...
>
> Laryngeal metathesis in *(C)rHV- sequences?? What do you mean? *(C)
rVH-?
> No such thing is attested. The PIE resonant was normally syllabic
in
> such sequences, and after the loss of the laryngeal the outcome
was
> phoneticaly *(C)r.rV- or *(C)&rV- (the difference is largely a
matter of
> a given author's favoured notation). The further development is
> branch-specific. Cf. Lat. haru-(spex) < *g^Hr.H-u- (Skt.
hirá: 'vein'),
> Skt. giráti, Slavic *z^IroN < *gWr.h3-é/ó- 'devour', Lat.
varus 'pimple'
> < *wr.H-o- (Lith. viras 'tapeworm cyst').
>
> Piotr
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According to Winter's rule: "Metathesis occured only when no vowel
preceded the laryngeal, when laryngeal did not stand in initial
position..., and when the semivowel was at least originally followed
by a consonant..."
The best example is *peH2w- (theme I) and *pH2ew- (theme II) with
zero-grade form *puH2- and *pH2u-.
According to Winter, the regular sequence *wH (*yH) was metathesized
to *wH (*yH0) (Lindeman ILTH, pp. 108-111).

Konushevci