Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome - h1romh-eh2 again

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham" <richard@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"

<alexandru_mg3@>

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> > > > <miguelc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:24:55 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
> > > > > >BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of

the

> > > > > >syllable structures too, 'in the same time' with the
> > > compensatory
> > > > > >lengthening.
> > > > > > so *h1rom-heh2 > [h>zero] > ro:-ma: is the logical output.
>
> > > > > No, it's impossible. Compensatory lengthening can only
> > > > > apply at a syllable coda (as in your example *kWers.rah2 >
> > > > > *kWe:.ra:). A putative *h1rom.Hah2 would just go to *roma:
> > > > > (with short /o/). After the loss of the laryngeals, the
> > > > > syllabification of course becomes /ro.ma:/.
>
> > > > YOU ARE WRONG:
> > > >
> > > > Example:
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > *od.wos > Grk. o:.dos (East Ionic) 'house'
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------

--

> > > > the [w] deletes in [od.wos] leaving the following syllable
> > without
> > > an
> > > > onset thus: [od.os]
> > > > Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The

Onset

> > > > Principle),
> > > > the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of

the

> > > > second [o.dos]
> > > > Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding

vowel

> > to
> > > > spread into, resulting in theoutput form [o:.dos]
>
> > > > Now we can try 'together' for 'Rome'
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------

--

> > > > the [h] deletes in [h1rom.hah2] leaving the following

syllable

> > > without
> > > > an onset thus: [rom.a:]
> > > > Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The

Onset

> > > > Principle),
> > > > the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of

the

> > > > second.[ro.ma:]
> > > > Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding

vowel

> > > > to
> > > > spread into, resulting in the output form [ro:.ma:]
> > So "here' the rub...", Miguel, a combination between the 'ONSET
> > PRINCIPLE' and 'the fact that the first syllable tries to

preserve

> > its bimoraic structure'...
> >
> > "What's the ONSET PRINCIPLE:
> > Basically, the onset principle is this: if you have a VCV string,
> > it will syllabify as V.CV and *NOT* VC.V, because syllables like

to

> > have onsets.
>
> There is a competing principle, for which I don't have a name, that
> says that short stressed vowels don't ocur in open syllables. This
> applies to Modern English and to many SE Asian languages. Tactics

to

> preserve this principle include gemination, addition of final

glottal

> stops, dropping of offending vowels, vowel lengthening and
> ambisyllabic consonants. In particular, VC.V syllabification occurs
> in the British Received Pronunciation of the angent noun <singer> -
> /siN.&/.
>
> Miguel is right, though, in saying that compensation occurs at the
> coda - the triggering changes occur after the vowel that gets

lengthened.

>
> Richard.
>

I think Richard that you didn't read & understand completely my
posted pdf...

This clearly result on you above comment.

Please read the full article.

Marius