Re: Paemani German tribe

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Cuadrado" <dicoceltique@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello
> > > does any chance to translate Paemani/Poemani/Pémanes
> > > a Celtic (Germanic ?)tribe living near from Eburons In
> > Belgium/Germania
> > >
> > > Pae-mani Mani = men ?
> > ************
> > I think that it is similar with Illyrian tribe name Paiones,
> similar
> > to Ma:iones/Me:iones, the Homeric name with which appear Lydians,
> that
> > misled me to claim that Etruscans were IE people. In forum of
> > Continental Celtic was discussed the name of this Illyrian tribe,
> that
> > migrated to the north of Europe.
> >
> > Konushevci
> Just to those that pretend that they haven't read it. I withdraw my
> previous assumption, after I read it carefully, but one should have
> in mind that Me:iones/Tyrrenoi/Pelasgians have disappeared or
> assimilated in historic times, for there is no evidences of their
> existence in historic sources. Their language survives only in
> substratum of Greek, Latin etc. The situation is same like with
> Romanian: to claim that Dacian substratum in Romanian is crucial

for

> this neo-Latin language and that Dacian is a language per se, it is
> nonsense.
> I confess: I have no clue about Etruscans, but after I read
> carefully Beekes' articile, I am aware a little bit about them.
> So, if I assume that Rome is from Ruma through u > o change, I

think

> that its name is from *sreu- and I am not only one, as one could se
> it from messages posted in Cybalist.
> An anecdote: When upon a time the goat saw the lifted tail of the
> ewe, she jumps up delightedly that she saw ewe's tail lifted up.

Ewe

> reply: I saw everyday your tail lifted up, but I think it is normal
> for you.
>
> Konushevci
>

For a person that made such errors, Abdullah, and especially for a
person that needed the intervention of 2-3 other peoples before to
understand Beekes' point: 'to confess' immediately after,
about 'lifted tails' and especially to immediately feel the need to
start to write 'anectodes' ...is a little bit to much: at least you
could wait 2-3 messages, meanwhile...

Talking about 'anecdotes', you continue with 'another one' in
your 'very special way' :

To fully quote you:

> So, if I assume that Rome is from Ruma through u > o change,I think
> that its name is from *sreu- and I am not only one, as one could se
> it from messages posted in Cybalist.

This is really a good anecdote, much better than the other one (with
the 'lifted tail') : because it shows us until where somebody can go
on the 'etymological fields' ...

To explain the humour there:

1. the PIE *sreu- is the origin of Rome in an Unknown-IE-langugae
2. next the word was borrowed to an NON_IE language
3. and re-borrowed again to an IE-Language....

Why you don't try 'a more complex' scenario ?

1. the PIE *sreu- is the origin of Rome in an Unknown-IE-langugae
2. next the word was borrowed to an Unknown-NON_IE language
3. and re-borrowed again to another Unknown-IE-Language....
4. borrowed again to an NON_IE language
5. and re-borrowed again to an IE-Language....

and so on...

Marius


P.S. : You forgot to tell us where the 'Ruma'-river was attested, in
ancient times?