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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > I guess that Rome as place name is derived from hydronym, i.e.
from
> > river name Ruma, later river Tiber
>
> 'river name Ruma' ? Where you find it 'attested' with this name?
>
> Tiberis fl. (Ptol., Plin., Mel., Liv., etc.)
> Thybris fl. (Plin., Verg.)
> Albula fl. (Liv., Plin.)
>
> So the oldest name of the river was Albula
>
> Ruma was Only the Estruscan spelling for Rome
>
>
> > (u > o was a characteristic change
> > of Etruscan place names in Latin
>
> Examples?
>
>
> > Etruscan was an IE language as was
> > proved by Bekees in "The Origin of Etruscans", see file section
on
> > Cybalist). It is similar with river name Struma, all from
suffixed
> > form of *sreu- 'to flow': Germanic *straumaz 'stream': Greek
> rhein 'to
> > flow': Alb rrymë 'current, stream'.
> >
> > Konushevci
>
> a) Etruscan an IE-language? Please post a list of at least 10
> etruscan words with their PIE cognates....
>
> b) PIE *sru-ma > Latin Roma ? 'Directly-from-PIE' or 'via
> Etruscan'? :)
>
> Marius
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1. Etruscan Curtuna > Latin Cortona
2. Etruscan Hurta > Latin Horta
3. Etruscan Ruma > Latin Roma (the name in itself isn't Etruscan!)
4. The Latin name for the Etruscans derives from this Greek name:
the root of *Turs-a・noi (> TyrseOEnoi) is found in Tusci < *Turs-ci
(from where Toscana) and, with the variant *trus-, Etruscus < *e-
trus-cus and Etruria < *e-trus-ia.
Etymology of Rome
Rome, O.E., from O.Fr. Rome, from L. Roma, of uncertain origin. "The
original Roma quadrata was the fortified enclosure on the Palatine
hill," according to Tucker, who finds "no probability" in derivation
from *sreu- "flow," and suggests the name is "most probably" from
*urobsma (cf. urbs, robur) and otherwise, "but less likely" from
*urosma "hill" (cf. Skt. varsman- "height, point," Lith.
virsus "upper"). Another suggestion is that it is from Etruscan (cf.
Rumon, former name of Tiber River). Common in proverbs, e.g. Rome
was not buylt in one daye (1545), for when a man doth to Rome come,
he must do as there is done (1599), All roads alike conduct to Rome
(1806).
Rome
The etymology of Rome from Roma (mother of Romulus and Remus), or
from Romulus, the legendary founder of the city, or from ruma (a
dug), in allusion to the fable of a wolf suckling the outcast
children, is not tenable. Niebuhr derives it from the Greek word
rhoma (strength), a suggestion confirmed by its other name Valentia,
from valens (strong). Michelet prefers Rumo, the ancient name of the
river Tiber.
References:
http://www.etruskisch.de/pgs/pn.htm
Robert S. P. Beekes: "The Origin of the Etruscans" (page 7, last
paragraph)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Rome
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Rome
And, instead of your loved signs :) I could add: Ride pagliaccio!
Konushevci