Re: [tied] Re: Some accentological thoughts...

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:31:42 +0100, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
<miguelc@...> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:17:23 -0000, "tgpedersen"
><tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
>>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <miguelc@...>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> The mechanism to look for is the one that explains the
>>> attested facts. And the facts are that Proto-Slavic /i/ and
>>> /u/ were "reduced" (to something like /'&/, /&/) everywhere,
>>> independently of the stress. Then, following Havlík's law,
>>> which is also independent of the position of the stress, the
>>> weak yers were further reduced to zero. The mechanism
>>> you're proposing would have produced cases of unreduced /i/
>>> and /u/ under the stress (e.g. in fixed-stress paradigms),
>>> which simply do not occur.
>>
>>But the standard one you propose would lead to stressed schwa's in
>>those fixed-stress paradigms, and they don't occur either.
>
>Yes they do.

Oops, I wanted to add examples later, and forgot:

From Zaliznjak's a.p. a list (Old Russian):

masculines:
vIrtI'pU (G. vI'rtIpa), konI'cI (G. ko'nIca), otI'cI (G.
o'tIca)

feminines:
o'bIz^a (Gpl. obI'z^I), o'lIxa (Gpl. olI'xU)

A special case are the diphtongs I/U + resonant, which
disobey Havlík's law:

neutra:
gU'rlo, zI'rno, sU'lnice, zI'rkalo

feminina:
vU'lna, mU'lva
(c^as^c^a-group:)
kU'rmlja, tU'ls^c^ja

i-stems:
skU'rbI, pI'rsi (pl.t.)

C-stems:
z^I'rny, cI'rky

adjectives:
dU'lgU, pU'lnU, pI'rvU, c^etvI'rtUjI


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