Re: starling

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > *storo- `stalring'. Alb shturë `red-coloured starling; starling
> > (Sturnus vulgaris L.)' from *str.H1r-eH2: NE starling: OHG star

(a)

> > from Germanic *staraz: Lat sturnus `id.': Old Prusian stranite

`gull,

> > seagull': Russian strentka `yellowhammer'. Seems that perform

was

> > *storH1o-, because *r.H1 > Alb –ur (cf. *gWhr.H1-u > Alb gur

`stone'

> > (Watkins). (Pokorny storos 1036.)
> >
> > Konushevci
> >
>
> 1. The quality of the laryngeal in *gWhr.H-i is considered

Unknown at

> least by Lubotsky :) => see Leiden, Indo-Aryan Etymological

Dictionary

> Based on what you wrote h1? What are the arguments?
>
> NOTE also: that we have an i-stem here, not an u-stem
>
>
> 2. NExt we have : PIE *r.h1 > PAlb/Dacian? ar
> as in Romanian barza & Alb. bardh& (see Piotr's message on this

forum

> related to the quality of the laryngeal in Albanian bardh&, with a

very

> good argumentation)
>
> So once again : if rh1 > ar WE CANNOT have rh1 > ur (SAME CONTEXT -

> SAME RULE)
>
>
> Marius

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About the nature of laryngeal in *bherHg'- 'shine': NWels
berth: 'shiny', NE bright, Liath brekšta 'dawns', Pol brzask 'dawn',
Alb bardhë 'white' and underleis the Proto-Indo-European word
for 'birch' (Alb bredh 'fir-tree') because of its shiny white or
silver bark (Mallory-Adams *bherHxg'- 329), the authors think that
it is of unknown origin Hx, but based in Albanian 'bredh' I guess
that the preform was *bhreH3g'-, IE *bhro:g'-, as far as concerned
the Albanian form. But, no one is forced to accept such
reconstruction. Based on NE birch, Lat fraxinus, Skt bu:rja- is hard
to get any further conclusion.

*-r.H1- > Alb -ur-, attested in *gWhr.H1-u > Alb gur 'stone' we have
other example *terH1- 'to rub, drill': Greek teretron 'drill' <
*tere-tro-m (see Jens, Cybalist, message17888): Alb turielë 'drill'
< *tr.H1-el-.

Konushevci