[tied] Re: PIE i- and u-stems again

From: tgpedersen
Message: 47488
Date: 2007-02-15

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <miguelc@...>
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:16:01 -0000, "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> >--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <miguelc@>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:03:24 -0000, "tgpedersen"
> >> <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> >If so, is the *-r/*-n part detachable from the stem in *-u, *-i
> >> >> >and *-a?
> >> >>
> >> >> No. *-un- is a suffix. Suffixes are (C)VC(C).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Is it true that you have stems suffixed in *-un, *-in, *-an
> >> >which becomes your various n-stems, and that /u/, /i/, and /a/
> >> >become the ablaut vowel, which means thematic stems are really
> >> >*-u, *-i, *-a stems?
> >>
> >> Something like that.
> >>
> >> >Because if so, there exists an n-suffix.
> >>
> >> No. How does that follow?
> >>
> >
> >*-u, *-i, *-a stems exist. They are called thematic stems.
> >*-un, *-in, *-an stems exist. They are called n-stems.
> >Semantically, there exists an indefinte/definite relationship
> >between the two types of stems; Latin catus/cato:, Germanic
> >strong/weak adjectives.
> >Diachronically, n-stems can, in your analysis, be derived from
> >thematic stems by the addition of *-n.
>
> No. The direction of derivation is athematic -> thematic
> (e.g -(e)n-stem -> -(e)no-stem).

Cato: "the smart one" -> catenus "smart"? I don't think so.


> There are no n-stems derived from thematics

What is then the relationship of catus/cato: ?


>(well, Tocharian has
> thematics augmented by the suffix *-h3on, which are technically
> n-stems).

*-un, *-in, *-an
- *-u, *-i, *-a
--------------------
= *-n

You said it yourself. You can't make the consequences go away by just
saying 'no'.


Torsten