Re: IE "fist" (Germanic+Slavic+Baltic?)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2007-02-13 03:02, Rick McCallister wrote:
>
> > Are fiist, finger and five related
> > How about pugnus, does it fit in
> > Im using a warped keyboard and the question marks dont work
>
> Those who connect Slavic *pINstI with OE fy:st, OHG fu:st usually
> reconstruct the prototype as *pn.kW-sti-, from *penkWe (whatever the
> analysis of the suffix). Lith. kumste: would then reflect a
> metathesised variant, *kWm.p-sti(-ah2). Lat. pugnus is rather
> obviously related to <pungo:>, <pugil>, Gk. pugmé: and adv. <púks>
> 'with the fist', as well as Germanic *fiuxt-i-/feuxt-a- (> Eng.
> fight). The root seems to be *peug(^)- 'punch'.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/45555

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/pn.html

Nordwestblock cognates, note initial p- in Celtic
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/KuhnText/08pauk-stechen.html
cf
German pochen (loan from Low German?) "hit, strike"
Da., Nw. pukke, Nw. dial. pokka, Sw. pocka (also loans?)
1) "crush ore"
2) "be haughty"
Engl box, MLG boken

punch is by Skeat derived from punish, which doesn't sound convincing,
pounce is compared to
pounce "hawk's clawes",
*poncer, "pierce" O.Fr. not recorded
punchar, Sp. "pierce"
puncha "prickle"
*punctiare Low Latin < punctus


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