[tied] Re: From words to dates: Water into wine, mathemagic or phyl

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
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> > Not sure I understand "no satisfactory
> > explanation".
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> > If we suppose that most of Europe was speaking IE
> > languages (with a few holdouts from earlier
> > immigration like Basque) originating through the
> > spread of agriculture from Anatolia, why is that not
> > "satisfactory"?
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> ****GK: "The spread of agriculture from Anatolia"
> cannot adequately explain the Indo-Europeanization of
> many areas of Europe in the accepted time frames.

"Accepted time frame"! There in lies the crux of the problem. First
the IE exapansion time frame is deliberately restricted to match
certain archaeological cultures, and then the same are offered
as "evidence" of IE expansion. Talk about a dog wagging its own tale.
But when Gray/Atkinson take a fresh look by throwing the linguistic
data *only* into their computer the divergence times turn out to be
much older redefining the situation.

M. Kelkar

> There was an article by Novak in Antiquity few years
> ago which showed that the hunters/gatherers of Poland
> switched to agriculture (ca. 3800 BCE)as the basis of
> their economy without adopting the culture of their
> southern neighbours (scions of the purported
> "Anatolian waves"). Which also has linguistic
> implications.But even more important: the northernmost
> agricultural culture stemming from the Anatolian
> influence (Trypilia) had no decisive genetic or
> cultural influence on the development of its eastern
> and northern neighbours. Quite the reverse, especially
> after 3500 BCE. Which suggests that if Trypilia was
> IE, Dnipro=Donetsk and Serednyj Stih (whence the later
> "Kurgan" cultures, and eventually the Balto-Slavs and
> Indo-Iranians) were not.For more specifics, consult
> the archives of late 2001 and into 2002.****
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