From: tgpedersen
Message: 47349
Date: 2007-02-08
>The culture that spread the English language across the North American
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- mkelkar2003 <swatimkelkar@> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is our previous exchange on this issue. There
> > > is no evidence of
> > > pastoral nomadism on the steppes in the time perios
> > > you are looking
> > > for. I have posted expert opinion on this before.
> > > I would be happy
> > > to do it again.
> > >
> > > You might as well forget of horse riding pastoral
> > > nomads. The other
> > > line of thinking Tortsen is taking has a better
> > > chance of succeding.
> > > Agriculture could be responsible for the expansion
> > > from the steppes
> > > not horseback nomadism
> > >
> > > M. Kelkar
> >
> > ****GK: You're the one who keeps bringing up "pastoral
> > nomadism", not I. There is a difference between that
> > and "pastoralism" (which merely implies an economy
> > primarily based on the nurture of various animal
> > domesticates). "Pastoralism" can be as sedentary as
> > agriculturalism, and indeed is frequently associated
> > with it.****
>
> If it is sedentary then how did it spread languages?
> How did they get to South Asia?The same way English got to California?
> > >You prefer too get drunk first?
> > > "GK: Serednyj Stih (ca. 4200-3500 BC) was
> > > > antecedent to Yamna, and was ancestral to the
> > > latter
> > > > as well as to other "Corded Ware" cultures. It was
> > > a
> > > > pastoral (though not exclusively so) culture, not
> > > a
> > > > classical "nomadic" culture
> >
> > ****GK: Not clear enough? There are no known nomadic
> > pastoralists here before the Cimmerians.****
>
>
> None of these cultures can be identified with a language.
> http://www.trypillia.com/articles/eng/re5.shtml
>
> "By 4000 BC, three mixed-farming (dairy) cultures were in competition
> in East Central Europe; these were
>
> Tripolye (and Cucuteni), a branch of the Danubian Linear-Ware farmers
> who, however, did not practice cereal farming, but rather had an
> economy based on orchards, cows, sheep, and pigs.
> Sredny Stog (and Kemi-Oba), branches of the Kurgan breeders whose
> economy featured horses, cows, goats, barley, and animal byproducts
> like leather.
> TRB/Funnel Beaker, believed to be a branch of the Erteboelle
> Hunters, who began to build primitive villages and adopt some of the
> economic ideas of their neighbors, including barley and dairy
> farming.
>
> There is no universal agreement on which of these three groups
> provided the proto-Indo-European language, and you can find sober
> scientists guessing that Indo-European was spoken by any combination
> of these groups, including none or all three! "
>
>
> Sober guessing is not good enough.
> M. Kelkar____________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> >
> > The spread of "Corded
> > > > Ware" to northern and central Europe preceded the
> > > > emergence of Yamna. "Corded Ware" had infiltrated
> > > > Trypilia (from its Serednyj Stih base) and was
> > > already
> > > > present as far west as the current
> > > Polish-Ukrainian
> > > > border even before the disappearance of Funnel
> > > Beaker.
> > > > Globular Amphorae bypassed this initial CW
> > > presence as
> > > > it marched eastward against the Trypilians. Within
> > > a
> > > > few hundred years everything in this large area
> > > became
> > > > "Corded Ware". Yamna (ca. 3500-2800 BC) was a late
> > > > eastern variant of "Corded Ware".
> >
> >
> > > "It is known though that the tribes that later
> > > formed the Trypillia
> > > culture must have migrated from the territories of
> > > what today are
> > > Rumania and Hungary, and settled in the territory of
> > > the present-day
> > > Ukraine in about the sixth millennium BC. We have no
> > > clear evidence as
> > > to what language they spoke (Dovzhenko, 2005 ?)"
> >
> > ****GK: Probably one akin to that of preceding
> > agricultural cultures. They were subsequently absorbed
> > by the peoples of the original CW areas.****
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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