[tied] Re: Poseidon revisited

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea@...>
wrote:

>
> On 06/02/2007 17:29, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Edlund Anderson" <cea@>
> > wrote:
> >> Just reviving this old thread .... Does anyone have any further
> >> thoughts on the final element(s) (-*da:[h]o:n?) in "Poseidon"?
> >> I've
> >> seen the da- element related to a Doric form of ge "earth",

which

> >> seems plausible, though it's not clear to me how plausible :)
> >> Still,
> >> I suppose it would be parallel to the <e-ne-si-da-o-ne>

alongside

> >> <enosikHtHo:n> with -kHtHo:n "earth" clearly appearing in the
> >> latter
> >
> > I am loosing a week or two writing about oldest oracle of

antiquity

> > Do:do:ne/Do:do:na (Latin variant), where was worshiped Di:one,

earth

> > goddess, besides Pelasgian Zeus. It is interesting that this

region

> > was later called Epirus from Doric dialect Apeiros `earth,
> > mainland', developed through PAlb sound law: due to i-Umlaut we

have

> > from Apeiros > Epirus. So, except –do:ne in Do:do:ne, we have

earth

> > goddess Dio:ne, probably PAlb Zana and Dacian Zina, that could

also

> > could be from Latin Diana.
>
> Is there a possible relationship between the -da:(h)o:n

in "Poseidon"

> and the –do:ne in in Do:do:ne?
>
> I'm still trying to figure out some plausible options for what
> Poseidon's -da:(h)o:n might be. The "earth" sense is attractive,

but I

> haven't pinned down any clear reason for a morpheme like "da" to

really

> mean "earth" or be necessarily cognate with "ge" (the etymology of

which

> seems unclear, even if the meaning is pretty securely "earth").
>
> Of course, "da" meaning "earth" could simply be some weird pre-IE
> substratum thing -- they surely exist, but I always dislike having

to

> appeal to that :)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl

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In Mr. Willem message you will found:
As an amateur graecologist who enjoys watching real graecologists
from the sidelines I may be forgiven for asking the following
question: long ago, Paul Kretschmer identified the -da- part with the
*da: in De:me:te:r as a pre-Greek word meaning something
like 'earth', so that _Poseido:n_ means 'Lord of the Earth',
_Ennosida:s_ means 'Shaker of the Earth' (cf. Enosikhtho:n) and
De:me:te:r means 'Earth Mother'. The late Cees Ruijgh used to be
attracted to this idea, witness his early article "Sur le nom de
Poséidon et sur les noms en -a:won-, -i:won-". What is your opinion
on this. Is it Flat Earth etymology?

I like to back up such interpretation, especially if we are aware
for *e:/*o: ablaut, so *de: in De:me:ter and Do:-do:ne are just two
expected forms. Furthermore, Epirus < Apeiros 'earth, mainland' is
just a semantic continuation of previous form. Nevertheless, it's up
to everyone what would like or dislike. I have simply express my
opinion.

Konushevci