Re: From words to dates: Water into wine, mathemagic or phylogeneti

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> > > Now Greek is supposed to have descended from the so-called
> > > Catacomb culture in the Eastern Ukraine, which means they stayed
> > > "home" in the Ukraine until well into Kurgan time. The

separation

> > > of
>
> > According to the Anatolian farming hypothesis Greek came from

Turkey

> > along with the farmers, not from Ukraine.
>
> You haven't provided anything that would support the claim that the
> PIE Urheimat was in Anatolia.

Here is another article that very clearly says

" Language-tree divergence times support the Anatolian theory of Indo-
European origin"

http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/publications/index.php?
pub=Gray_and_Atkinson2003Nature

Gray and colleagues have shown using phylogenetic techniques used in
natural sciences that PIE family (assuming it existed) is 3000 years
older than required by the Kurgan theory. The older date conforms to
Renfrew's farming hypothesis. Gray is not an archaeologist.

> > As far as the IIr, especially the Iranians, a detour through the
> > steppes is quite unnecessary. Iran is next door to Turkey.
>
> The Iranians didn't make a detour through the steppes. They lived on
> them. Don't let the present geographical term Iran fool you. Even
> today the Iranian languages Tadzhik and Pashtu are spoken outside of
> Iran.
>
>
> > What I find the most intriguing is the following. The time
> > difference between the traditional date of Rig Veda and the
> > Indological one is exactly the same, 3000 years, as the that

between

> > the Anatolian and the Kurgan theories.
>
> Erh, why is that intriguing? Are you proposing that the Rgveda was
> composed in Anatolia?
>
>
> Torsten

No. The older time line of the Anatolian meshes very well with the
traditional date of the Rig Veda. The geography of the Rig Veda
clearly places it in the Sindhu-Sarasvati valleys.

M. Kelkar