Re: [tied] Re: Fun with prenasalized stops.txt

Mostly just correcting attributions:

At 5:01:58 PM on Sunday, February 4, 2007, Roger Mills
wrote:

> Patrick Ryan wrote:

>> What, precisely, bars a development /m/+/d/ > /Nd/?

No, I wrote that.

[...]

> (Brian):
> > Pre-nasalized stops, in those languages in which they
> > _actually_ occur are phonemic.

No, that's Patrick.

> (PR)
> Which says nothing about the source of the phoneme.

And this is me.

> PR:
>> But I am not aware that there is a formal phonetic
>> difference between /nd/ (actually /n/ + /d/) and /Nd/.

[...]

> In initial position, the difference seems to lie in how
> prominent the nasal articulation is-- whether it has any
> syllabicity (which I think would correlate how quickly the
> velum is raised in the transition from nasality to the
> stop release).

As I recall, Matisoff considers syllabicity of the nasal in
the discussion from which Torsten quoted to start this
thread.

Brian