Re: [tied] Re: Balto-Slavic C-stems / long vowel endings

On Sub, siječanj 27, 2007 11:43 pm, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal reče:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:10:48 +0100 (CET), Mate Kapović
> <mkapovic@...> wrote:
>
>>On Sub, siječanj 27, 2007 11:59 am, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal reče:
>>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:34:33 +0100 (CET), Mate Kapović
>>> <mkapovic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sri, siječanj 24, 2007 12:16 am, mcarrasquer reče:
>>>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mcarrasquer" <miguelc@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> matí > mát'
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops, I meant dUtjí > dóc^'.
>>>>
>>>>How do you know that the accent was on the final syllable? Croat. kći^
>>>> <
>>>>*d7``kti points to the first syllable being stressed.
>>>
>>> I assumed that as a mobile feminine, it would be accented
>>> like the mobile feminines in -í, -ý and -á. A quick look in
>>> Zaliznjak doesn't confirm nor deny that.
>>
>>You would expect that in comparison to Lithuanian, but in reality you get
>>*d7``kti, like *sy^n7 and not *sy:n'7 because of Lith. su:nu`s
>
> su:nu`s is a special case. We would expect sú:nus (Hirt's
> law) in Lithuanian (and if I'm not mistaken such a form is
> attested in OLith.).

It is súnus (1) in OLith. and I know it's a special case. I just gave an
example for -u`s in Lith.

>>, *ko``st6
>>and not *kost'6 (Lith. -i`s) etc.
>>I do, however, believe that *d7``kti stands for older *d7kt'i but that
>> was
>>perhaps pre-proto-Slavic levelling.
>
> But levelling to what?

Accusative obviously.

> Mobile feminines ending in a full
> vowel keep final stress in the N. sg. (nogá, lod(Ij)í,
> svekrý).

Except r-stems obviously... It's just a fact...

> Only the feminine i-stems lose final stress (c.q.
> merge with the accusative). Unless the levelling was somehow
> with ma"ti, the only other r-stem in the language.

Why? The accent is obviously on the first syllable... That is just a plain
fact.

> BTW, what would *dUtjí have given in Croatian?

**kći``