From: Mate Kapović
Message: 47058
Date: 2007-01-22
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Mate Kapović <mkapovic@...> wrote:It wouldn't, because *-s was added in Slavic by analogy to other stems. It
>>
>> On Pon, siječanj 22, 2007 12:15 am, mcarrasquer reče:
>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mandicdavid" <davidmandic@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The 1sg. pres. ending -oH2 yielded acute -o: in Lithuanian (later
>> >> short -u). In Slavic, it turned into -a: and was later expanded
>> > with
>> >> the secondary ending -m (cf. 1sg. aorist pekU < *pekwom, and also
>> >> skr. bhára:mi < *bhero:+mi). The addition of -m probably followed
>> > the
>> >> change o: > a: in Slavic, because the o: yielded u: > y before
>> > nasal
>> >> stops in word-final position: kamy < *ka:mu: < *ak'mo:n. Also, -
> a:N
>> > #
>> >> wasn't affected by umlaut (A.sg. zemljoN; thus also 1.sg. pres.
>> > bijoN
>> >> etc.).
>> >
>> > Actually, the addition of -m must have followed the raising of
> back
>> > vowels before final nasals (or we would have gotten *-o:m > *-u:N
>> *-
>> > uN > -U),
>>
>> Only if one derives G. pl. -U from *-o:m...
>
> I derive it from *-őm, which is required by Lithuanian -uN~. The
> Lithuanian form cannot be from *-om (> -aN), or from *-o:m (> -ů ?).
>
>> > and preceeded the shortening of long diphtongs (or we would
>> > have gotten -o:m > -a(m)).
>> >
>> > <Kamy> "stone" cannot come from *h2ák^mo:n, because that would
> have
>> > yielded <kamU>.
>> > In fact, it _does_ yield <kam> in I forget which
>> > Slavic dialect (Kashubian?).
>>
>> ... which is not necessarily archaic. Dropping of the obsolete -y
> to make
>> a new o-stem is hardly surprising. In Croatian, one also finds
> dialectally
>> kamen/kami/kam/kamik, plamen/plami/plam etc. But not everything
> needs to
>> be derived directly from PIE.
>
> True.
>
>> > The Slavic form, like Lith. <akmuő>,
>> > comes from PIE *h2ák^mő, a variant with the final resonant dropped
>> > (only its falling tone remains).
>>
>> Or, simpler, from PIE *h2ek'mo:ns with a final *-s.
>
> There is no PIE *h2ek'mo:ns. Even if there was, it wouldn't explain
> Lith. akmuő.