Re: PIE *nr-, *nur-?

From: Francesco Brighenti
Message: 46533
Date: 2006-11-03

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@>
> wrote:
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur
> > "*nur is a Proto-Indo-European root denoting water or river.
> > As such it is a part of several river and city names in Europe,
> > including Narew, Narva and Neretva."
> >
> > From another Wikipedia article:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narew
> > "[The river] Narew originates in Belarus and flows into the
> > Vistula river in Poland........The name of the river comes from
> > a Proto-Indo-European root *nr primarily associated with water
> > (compare with Narva, Neretva, Neris, Ner and Nur)."
> >
>
> Another great source of etymological research on the internet
> is the cybalist group, in the archives of which one might try
> to find the above river names.

O.K., I have tried:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narew
"Hydronimic *noru- is especially well attested in Baltic (e.g.
Prussian Nerus, Nerusa, Polish Narew [a large tributary of the
Vistula] < Sudovian *naru:-), though it isn't clear to me what it's
supposed to mean. Some etymologists connect it with the root *ner-
'dive, penetrate'. I wonder if Germanic *naru- 'narrow' might be
somehow related (although the Narew is a remarkably wide river)."

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/15941
"...the name Nrowa appears to be related to that of the Narew (a
major eastern tributary of the Vistula system; the name, Old Polish
<Nari> = Nary <-- *Naru:s was borrowed from West Baltic during the
Middle Ages). There are other *nar(u)- hydronyms in the Baltic area,
e.g. lith. Narupe, OPr. Narus. Nrowa < *norwa < *norwa: might very
well be the same name (only borrowed much earlier) with the regular
feminine ending added to *noru-."

Best,
Francesco