Re: Res: [tied] hawk

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:

> > > English "hawk", Anglo-Saxon "hafoc", Old Norse "hauk", Finnish
> > > "haukka". Is "hawk" found in any IE language except Germanic?
> > > Did Germanic take it from a local Finno-Ugrian language that
> > > was spoken in south Scandinavia or Schleswig-Holstein area
> > > before the IE-speakers came?
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> > Yes, in Slavic: Pol. kobuz, Russ. kóbec (< dimin. *kobIcI)
> > 'sparrow-hawk' , as if from *kAbHAug^os (*A = *o or *a), which
> > matches the Germanic word *xaBuka- rather well. The initial
> > syllable may be of prefixal origin. The Finnish word is obviously
> > a loan from Scandinavian (as are similar 'hawk' words in Celtic
> > languages). Even _if_ the word is a non-IE loan, the source must
> > be something else.
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> How about kapys, Greek form of Etrurian word for hawk?

Dansk Etymologisk Ordbog:
"
... from Germanic *haBuka ..., formed with the same suff. *-ka as
German Kranich "crane" (from *kranuka-) and Da. 'lærke' "lark" to
the root *haB- which is possibly [etc], cf. Med.Latin capus "hawk"
"

Perhaps the same *-ka as appears in other NWGermanic names of
animals and in toponyms: Da. maddike "maggot" etc.

That doesn't look very Germanic either. Maybe we should stop
referring to strange glosses common to Baltic Finnic, Baltic and
Germanic as 'loans from Germanic'.


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