Re: [tied] Re: Semantic differentiation between thematic and athema

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 45427
Date: 2006-07-19

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> On 2006-07-18 02:17, Sean Whalen wrote:
>
> > Accented e/o remain, other e/o deleted so
> originally
> > thematic verbs look athematic in Hittite.
>
> First, there is no such rule in Hittite (if there
> were, we would also
> have thematic nouns and adjectives looking
> athematic).

I believe PIE was a complex tonal language with
multiple tones possible on one word. Hittite had
syncope in open syllables before tone simplification.

> Secondly, if
> things were that simple, do you think linguists
> studying Hittite are
> foolish enough not to have considered such an
> obvious possibility?

If they believe there's only one accent per word
they can't solve this or many other problems.

> The
> real problem is that there are no stem cognates of
> extra-Anatolian
> simple thematic presents (and the subjunctive is
> lacking as a category),
> while _other_ types of thematic presents with exact
> stem cognates widely
> attested in other IE languages do exist, cf.
> causatives like
> wassezzi/wassanzi 'clothe' <
> *wos-éje-ti/*wos-éjo-nti (with the thematic
> vowel unaccented but preserved),

I'd say wóseyè+ > wosèye+ in Indo-Iranian and >
woseyè+ in Germanic.

> or the entire
> -ske-zzi/-ska-nzi class.

+(i)skYè+

> If there were any truth in what you are saying, we
> would expect numerous
> Hittite verbs looking like acrostatic root stems but
> otherwise related
> to familiar simple thematics like *bHer-e/o-,
> *h2ag^-e/o-, *weg^H-e/o-,
> *h3reg^-e/o-, etc. There are none.

The -hi verbs in Hittite aren't statives created
from the perfect but direct from PIE present in e/o.
The word ì (here, now) could join to the present.

ax atx a ax ì atx ì a ì
ax atx a axì atxì aì
ax ax a axì atxì aì
ax ax a axì atHxì aì
ex ex e exì etHxì eì
ax ax e axì etHxì eì
ox ex e oxì etHxì eì

t>0/_X#
C>+aspir/_X
a>e elsewhere
e>a by x
analogy (-om; -es, -etH-)



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