Re: [tied] *rebh- or *H3rebh-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

>
> On 2006-07-03 17:04, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > *H3 is described phontecally as a rounded velar fricative [XW],

but

> > I doubt as well that /b/ in <brinjë> as well as <v> in <vrap>

could

> > as well be a prefix, but rounded character of *H3, followed by
> > resonant leaves a space to doubt of their laryngeal origin.
> > Nevertheless, I just started to treat words in *r-. It was just

an

> > assumption. But, to not accept that Alb. <brinjë> that has so

much

> > cognate in Germanic languages and in Slavic, is very strange.
>
> The 'rib' word has likely cognates in Greek -- the verb <erépto:>
> 'cover, provide with a roof' (*h1rebH-je/o-) and its lexical

family. If

> there ever was an initial laryngeal in this root, it was *h1

rather than

> *h3.

[AK]
First, I found that the verb is <erepho> 'to cover, to build',
future <erepso> and <erepsomai>, aor. <erepsa>; erepsimos 'belonging
to roof'. So, for sure, we have *H1rebh-o in verbal root.
.
Initial /o/ is only found in "Rasmussen derivatives" with the

> O-fix, <óropHos, oropHé:> 'cover, roof' and must be due to Gk.

vowel

> assimilation, as in <odoús> and <ónoma>. It's far from obvious

that the

> Albanian word belongs to the same etymon at all.

[AK]
But, that is to be waiting, due to e-o Ablaut in verb and noun stem,
noun stem to be *H3robh-o > Greek he orophe and ho orophos 'roof',
especially ho orophos 'rod, cane' that cover the roofs.

The pattern of

> assimilation in the alleged "labial + *n" sequence is also

suspect,

> given that *-pn- yields Alb. /m/, as in <gjumë> 'sleep'.

[AK]
I agree that sequence -bhn-/-pn- has as result Albanian -m-, like in
gjumë 'sleep', amë 'river', lumë 'river' etc., but if it was
followed by back vowel /*o/. In case that this sequence is followed
by palatal glide /y/, like in mër-dhinj 'to freez' < *g'heim-yo, I
think that *H3r.bh-n-yeH2 > Alb. <brinjë> is far from obvious to
belong to this root, together with Greek erepho.

>
> Piotr

Konushevci