Re: [tied] Latin tardus

--- Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...> wrote:

> Sean Whalen <stlatos@...> wrote:
>
> Many new a's come from syllabic consonants:
>
> > Welsh <carw> "stag", Latin <cervus>
>
> "horn" words like srva:- in Avestan and sirwis in
> OPrussian show syllabic r.
> _______________________
> I thought IE *k^r.w- would yield *cryw- in Welsh.
> Or is there a different development before *w?

Yes, *r. > ra before w/y/n/m; *r.h > *rah > ra:; *r.

> ri elsewhere. Possibly *r. > a before r/l.

Possibly other conditions.

> I am aware (and indicated above) that Stuart
> Mann's book has many questionable and some outright
> wrong etymologies (and often shows a lack of
> understanding of IE phonology). However, it was
> what I had at hand. But my English dictionary also
> shows <cairn> from Gaelic <carn> "elevation" from IE
> *kern- (according to the dictionary) found in Latin
> <cornu> "horn, extremity, summit".

*k^r.no- could give carn.

> There are also a
> number of Latin words with <a> which it ascribes to
> IE roots with *e. I can list some of these if you
> desire.

I know there are many Latin words with clear PIE
origin with a for expected *e, others with a for *o.
I've given a few rules that I and others have thought
of, but not everyone agrees and there are
possibilities like unique dissimilation, analogy with
similar words with (k/g/etc.)a; dialect borrowings,
etc. Since some environments are only found in one
word in Latin, it can be hard to say if a rule in that
environment is regular.



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