Re: [tied] Some new etymologies

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, alex <alxmoeller@> wrote:
> >
> > in the said connection Alb and Rum have followed different paths
> > since for Alb. peshkatar, Rom. knows "pescar", using an other
> suffix
> > (-arius) while for instance for a word as hunter, Rum. use the
> same
> > "-tore" (vânãtor) but Albanian has in use the suffix "-arius"

here

> > since the word is "giahtar".
> >
> > it appears very interesting to me due the common history of both
> > language.......
> >
> > Alex
> ************
> No, Alb. word for hunter is <gjah-tar>, as well as <gjue-tar>

`id.':

> in first one suffix is attached to the noun <gjah> `hunt' and in
> second one to the infinitive form <me gjue> `to hunt'. Same
> phenomenon, the attachment of the suffix to infinitive form, we
> could notice in Hittite: uesita `to graze', but nomen agentis ues-
> tara (Çabej, SGJ, pp. 277.). The first model became more

productive,

> as we can see from: udhë-tar `traveler', rrugë-tar `id.', mesh-
> tar `minister, prosbyter', fe-tar `religious', lojë-tar `player',
> lundër-tar `sailor', peshka-tar `fisherman' and this suffix is
> probably from PIE *-ter, also *-tor- that forms agent nouns from

the

> verbs with stem in –a: in Latin.
> To conclude, Albanian suffix –tar(e) is directly derived from PIE

*-

> tor-.
>
>
> Konushevci
>

I fully agree:
the -tar suffix in Albanian is really inherited => the "inside-a"
speak for this => PIE *o > PAlb *a

On the other hand, the Romanian suffix -tor is from Latin =>
where PIE *o > Latin *o


Of course both suffixes reflects the same PIE suffix *-ter/*-tor