Re: [tied] trzymac'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Mate Kapoviæ <mkapovic@...> wrote:

> >Indeed, in that case
> > Slovincian <tr^îma,> 'I hold' (if <*tri:mò, with -ajo, dialectally
> > contracted already in Common Slavic?) vs. <tr^å~mac> 'to hold'

(if <

> > *trima"ti) would demonstrate shortening before a stressed inner
> > syllable (*trima"ti) and non-shortening before a stressed final
> > syllable (*tri:mò,).
>
> Actually, the shortening is in the infinitive, but in present

tense, the

> length is neo-acute in origin. The 1st person final accent would

yield

> exactly the same result in Slovincian since the accent is retracted

(also

> a long vowel).

My aim has been more than modest so far -- to read Stang correctly.
If he didn't mean what I wrote (shortening in <tr^å~mac> because -i-
goes before a stressed inner syllable in *trima"ti and non-shortening
in <tr^îma,> because -i- occurs before a stresses non-inner syllable
in *tri:mò,), what did he mean then?

And then I don't quite understand your comment (no tongue in cheek --
your formulation is too succinct).
What do you mean by neo-acute length exactly? Definitely not the
lengthening as a result of retraction from weak jers (not relevant in
that context), so you must have meant the retraction by Stang-
Ivs^ic''s Law. But does that retraction lengthen short vowels
aquiring the ictus? I'm not sure it does. What it does, actually, is
that it imparts rising tone to a vowel which was already long before
the retraction, so it's not the retraction one needs to have length --
rather ictus on the long (non-acute) vowel before Dybo's Law.

> > Stang didn't know Dybo's Law and considered the place of ictus in

b-

> > verbs original, while from contemporary point of view one would
> > probably expect non-shortening in both cases (*trí:mati >

*tri:ma"ti

> > in the same way as *trí:mo, > *tri:mò,),
>
> Nope. It is clear that there is a shortening in the first case. I

have

> written about it at length. If you are interested, I can send you my
> article.

Thanks, it would be very helpful, since so far I've been able to
judge your paper only by Kortlandt's critical article.

Sergei