Re: [tied] trzymac'

On Ned, svibanj 28, 2006 11:39 pm, Miguel Carrasquer reče:

> On Sat, 27 May 2006 20:00:11 +0000, Sergejus Tarasovas
> <S.Tarasovas@...> wrote:
>
>>I've just realized I don't know and can't think of the etymology of
>>Polish <trzymac'> 'hold'. Does it continue Common Slavic *tri(:)ma"ti
>>(b? -- in view of Kashubian <tr^îma,> 'I hold' with î vs. ĺ~ in the
>>infinitive) or is it a borrowing?
>
> To return to the original point, the Kashubian/Slovincian
> forms seem fit Mate's two-mora-rule (pretonic length is
> shortened before two or more morae) quite well. tri:má:ti
> (final open syllables count as 1 mora) has 3 morae after the
> length, while tri:móN has one. I'm sure Mate will want to
> comment further, once he's available.

That's right. The accentuation of the a. p. b stems was analogically
changed almost everywhere in Slavic - the length from the present tense
(where it is a reflex of the neo-acute and pretonic length in 1st person >
which is pretty much the same thing) is introduced analogically to the
infinitive. This is what we see in Modern Polish, Czech, Slovak, Croatian
etc. However, the original situation - long vowel in the present, short in
the infinitive - has been preserved in Old Polish, Slovincian, some
Kajkavian dialects and in Molise Croatian (S^tokavian). This cannot be
explained other than as an archaism, while the length in the a. p. b
infinitives is easily explained away as secondary.

Mate