Re: [tied] -i:r-/-u:r- after labiovelars in Sanskrit?

From: Mate Kapović
Message: 44715
Date: 2006-05-26

On Pet, svibanj 26, 2006 2:13 pm, Mate Kapović reče:
> On Pet, svibanj 26, 2006 11:59 am, Piotr Gasiorowski reče:
>> On 2006-05-26 11:17, Mate Kapović wrote:
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>>> How would you then explain for instance IE *gWlh1tós (Greek ble:tós) >
>>> Skr
>>> ud-gu:rn.ás "risen"? The influence of ud-?
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>> No, /u/ predominates after velars if the influence of the context isn't
>> strong, but in order to prove that the u-colouring is due to a
>> labiovelar you'd have to show that
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>> (a) *kr.hV > kirV, *kr.hC > ki:rC
>> (b) *kWr.hV > kurV, *kWr.hC > ku:rC
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>> etc., AND NOT THE OTHER WAY OUT with at least statistically significant
>> consistency. Individual examples chosen to illustrate the change don't
>> carry much weight as long as you ignore the counterexamples. There is
>> some variation even after palatals, cf. RV ju:rn.á- vs. AV ji:rn.á- <
>> *g^r.h2-nó- 'worn out with age'.
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> Please not

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>that I'm not advocating the supposed changed, I'm just keeping
> my options open.
> The reflection -u:r- is otherwise found after a labial (cf. ú:rn.a:,
> pu:r-, pu:rn.ás etc.). I don't have the literature handy, but is there any
> fluctuation here? I mean, are there cases like -i:r- after normal labials?
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> Mate
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