[tied] Re: Idea of PIEan expansion - "business takeovers" on major

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "andrew_and_inge"
> <andrew.lancaster@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ehlsmith" <ehlsmith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister

<gabaroo6958@>

> > > wrote:
> > > ..............
> > > > Curiously, I myself have the J2 haplotype even though my

Mc

> > > Callister ancestors arrived in the US from Belfast c. 1750 or
> so.
> > My
> > > closest genetic relatives on websites, other than some other

Mc

> > > Callisters, are in Central Asia, the Middle East and Eastern
> > Europe and
> > > tend to be Kahane or Muslims.
> > >
> > > I'm afraid I'm being a nitpicker, but isn't it rather

misleading

> > to
> > > say "closest genetic relatives" when comparing less

than .00005

> of
> > the
> > > genome?
> >
> > It is not clear whether you realise it, so I'll point it out:

the

> Y
> > chromosome, while it indeed does really show "relatedness" in

the

> > everyday sense (because in fact it carries very few working
> genes),
> > is passed on in near perfect copies from father to son, and so

it

> is
> > very useful for trying to trace one ancestral line out of the
> > thousands we have, and therefore it is useful for studying

ancient

> > migrations, especially males are felt to have played a key role.
> >
> > Mitochondrial DNA, similarly, is passed from mothers to

children.

> >
> > Best Regards
> > Andrew
> >
>
> Useful?
>
> If we will name "the alpha-father" the original possesor of the Y-
> Chromozone => for sure you have his Y Chromozone
>
> But you don't know anything of "the others 1000... fathers" of
> your "mathers" => and for sure their "traces" are present too in
> the "other Chromozones"
>
> So this Y-determination tell you Only that "your father has for

sure

> that 'alpha-father' among your ancestors" and nothing more...
>
> See below a diagram of '5-generations' (125-150 years) "in which"
> where we already have "7 fathers" to imagine how many ancestors

are

> not taken into account in relation with the other Chromozones
>
> 1-----2------3-------4-------5
> Y1----|
> X1----Y1
>
> Y2----|
> X2----X2----Y1
>
> Y3----|
> X3----X3----X3------Y1
> Y3'---Y3'---|
>
> Y4-----|
> X4----X4----X4------X4------Y1
> Y4'---Y4'---| |
> |
> Y4''--------Y4''-----
>
>
> Marius
>

So to assert that

"

> My
> > closest genetic relatives on websites, other than some other Mc
> > Callisters, are in Central Asia, the Middle East and Eastern
> Europe and
> > tend to be Kahane or Muslims.

"

based on your Y-Chromozone is completely false

You need to write in place:

" At least one of my ancestors, among the total of about 1000xxx
that I have ......other than some other Mc Callisters, are in
Central Asia, the Middle East and Eastern Europe and tend to be
Kahane or Muslims."

What kind of 'global' migration of your ancestors could be indicated
by this I ignore :) (-> maybe if 1 mil. people in the same region
has the same Y-Chromozone this for sure can indicate something...but
to applicate this to a single persons means nothing...)

Marius