[tied] Re: Dacian Sounds Laws - (2) Long Vowels

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-

language@>

> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Abdullah Konushevci
> > > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:44 PM
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Dacian Sounds Laws - (2) Long Vowels
> > > <snip>
> > >
>
> >
> > If Albanian word 'karpã' means 'rock' and the Mountain Names

was

> > *Karpa:tya (currently /KarpaTi/) => guess what is the mneaning

of

> > Karpathians Mountains?
>
> Albanian meaning of <karpë> is "rocky hill with sharp peak"

(Oxford

> Albanian-English Dictionary, pp. 373.), plural <karpat>, probably
> further extended in abstract suffix -ia (cf. Dalm-at-ia).
> >
> > But the point here was the meaning of suffix -tya: 'made by'
> > (rocks, in the above case) that can be applied only to nouns not
> to
> > verbs...and the discussion was about kmesë...< *ak^-mo:n-tya:
>
> I am not an expert on word-formation, but I know that -yo, mostly
> attached to extended roots, is firstly verbal suffix and I found
> that it behaves like suffix -o in verbs, adjectives, nouns.
>
> > Marius
>
> Konushevci
>

a) -yo yes, <<X-yo>> has the the meaning 'having X'

Example:

1. PIE *kWrs-yo 'having Black (Color)' > Dacian Crisia (Jordanes) >
[si > s^] Romanian CriS /kris^/ (< Dacian: *c^wara 'black')


2. PIE *ak^-mo:n-yo/eh2 'having stone' > Dacian Akmo:nya(:) 'The
Stony Place/City' (< Dacian *akmo:n 'stone')


b) but <<Noun>>-tyo (probabbly originary PIE *to+*yo) has the
meaning 'made-by/consisting-of'-X : for this reason appears in may
formation for instruments

Example:

1. PIE *(s)k(o)rh1-p-eh2-tyeh2 > Karpa:tya: 'consisting-by/made-by
rock' (< Dacain *karpa: 'rock')

2. PIE *h2ek^-mo:n-tyeh2 > PAlb/Dacian akmo:ntya: (< Dacian
akmo:n 'stone')