[tied] Re: Dacian Sounds Laws - (2) Long Vowels

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/20/06, Abdullah Konushevci <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> <alexandru_mg3@>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > 3.a Dacian *Akmo:nia 'Stony City' < PIE *h2ek'-mo:n-
> yo 'stony' /
> > > > h2ek'-mo:n- 'stone'
> > > > Preserved (not directly) in:
> > > > Albanian: kmesë 'sickle' < PAlb/Dacian? akmo:ntya: < PIE
> *h2ek'-mo:n-
> > > > tyeh2
> > > > Marius
> > > ************
> > > My view about Alb. <këmesë> is:
>
> > And I found it: Message 28115 confirms yours derivation exactly
> from it.
>
> I'm glad that 'you finally find out' that this is Beekes

derivation,

> so at least now you 'can trust more' in it :).
> (also Huld proposed a similar one).

[AK]
Despite the fact that I prise too much the Beeks and Huld as the
best linguists, as you may see, I propose, based, for example, in
your "sickle", that, believe me or not, is derived from *sek- 'to
cut', that as well the Alb. <kmesë>, segmented by me in *ko(m)-mai-t-
yeH2, as most plausible derivation. I don't insist that I have
right, but taking into consideration my descriptive knowledge of
Albanian language and being aware that sequence of segments k + m is
not familiar or have constrains in Albanian, leave aside Bulgarian
<kmet>, I come to conclusion that best chances for Albanian source
of <k-mesë> has PIE *mai-'to cut'.

>
> d) against your supposed syncopation between k-V-m 'talks' the
> Albanian këmishë <-> Romanian kãmaSã < Latin camisia (< Celtic)

[AK]
Yes, you are right, if you consider the standard Albanian form as
true one. But, overwhelming form is <kmishë> and it is a loan from
Latin camissia. For syncopation of <ë>, see also <kjo>, much older
and attested form <kë-jo>, preserved in <këta/këto> befor dental
stop, but not befor sonorants.

>
> e) Also an initial cluster km- could not survive like this ...
>
> f) So only an initial cluster Vk-mV- could give an initial km- in
> Albanian.

Why only Vk-mV- could give an initial km- and did you have any other
examples?

> >Note: Suffix -esë usually is added to verb roots: jetoj 'to

live',

> >but
>
> But there is no suffix -esë here, Abdullah: is *-mo:n- + *-

tya: ...

> and the phonetic evolution of -esë in kmesë [-o:ntia: > entia: >
> enca: > ens& > es&] > is similar to that one of pesë [-enc^a: > -
> enca: > -ens& > -es&]

Read abobe Orel's view.

>
> Marius
>

Konushevci