Re: [tied] PIE Word Formation Q&A (1)

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 44078
Date: 2006-04-01

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen
> <stlatos@...> wrote:
>
> > Also I think it's more likely that the first h2 in
> > "duck" dissimilates to zero. There is no failure
> in *
> > h1l.ngWHros > h1.ln.gWHros > elaphros.
>
> Because in this word -- contrary to your suggestion
> -- the *n. was
> syllabic already in PIE (it shows up as Skt. a, Gmc.
> un, etc., despite
> the fact that the initial laryngeal is not syllabic
> in those
> branches), and muta cum liquida syllabify together:
>
> *h1ln.|gWHro-
>
> Therefore, the first syllable is _light_, and the
> laryngeal stays.

Sorry. I see now that you're only talking about
*h1ln.gWHro- not my suggestion for *h2n.h2tih2 >
*n.h2tih2 but I don't believe this n was syllabic in
PIE. If l. instead l. > lu in Proto-Germanic (Cu
rather than uC occurs in some environments and in this
word perhaps to match *lengWH-).

Also, raghu'- may come from an n-less form (if the n
is an infix) like Latin levis < *lehwis < *leghus
(although some think analogy with similar words could
have contaminated both these forms).

Since I've said ul > wl. between C's many times
before, it's also possible that l.n > ln. between C's
in some languages (not necessarily all the same).

Either of the above is possible. The main reason my
interpretation of PIE syllabic consonants is different
from the mainstream is that a simple system in PIE
which had specific cases (or sounds in specific
environments) changed in many of the daughter
languages to make it more complex
is more likely and fits into known laws such as many
languages desyllabifying *h in various locations;
Greek *Crih2 > *Cr.yh2. > Cria etc.

Also explaining some accented syl. C's as in "wolf"
< h1u'lkWos.

Also the order when ul > wl. between C's is
different in some languages explaining

muryaxar tr.yom
muryaxar triyom
mwr.yaxar triyom
mr.yaxar triyom
moryaxar triyom

morior trium

in Latin but not in Sanskrit where ul > wl. between
C's and w>0 after m
before
l. > li before y, etc.

Also a few complex accent shifts in Indo-Iranian (I
may say more later).




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