Re: [tied] Celtic n (was: Greek labiovelars)

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 43905
Date: 2006-03-17

--- "Anders R. Joergensen" <ollga_loudec@...>
wrote:

> The oldest form is cumung /kumhung/, later cumang
> /kumh&N/. The
> first -u- from earlier -o- (*kom-) means that we
> should reconstruct
> a raising factor in the following syllable (in this
> case *-i- < *-a-
> / __ng). That we then end up with -ang /&N/ < -ung,
> is due to u-
> infection, *-ingu- > *-iung > -ung.

Wouldn't *(komangu > komunWgW > kuMung) work to
raise o also?

> Isn't this extraordinarily complicated, against
> assuming that PIE
> *eNT > PCelt. *eNT, PIE *N.T > *aNT?

I prefer e>a for several reasons that seem to add up
to an understandable whole.

In Latin e>a irregularly (or very complexly) between
nasals or before N+voiced stop (maneo:, nanciscor,
tango:, frango:).

A similar set of rules could apply to Irish, etc.

1. e(>e~?)>a between N-N in same syllable

*men-lo- "remain, delay" > OIr mall "slow"; Lat.
promello: "I postpone"; Grk. mello: "I delay"; Rus.
medlennyj "slow"; Skt. manda- "slow";

possibly

*nem-h1- "take?" > OIr na:ma "enemy"; Grk. ne'mesis

2. e(>e~?)>a before N-stop+voice with same place of
articulation

Also, since most sounds don't just disappear, they
leave traces and disappear in Celtic I think that just
as *(hr. > har > ar in a syllable) but (*r. > ri in
most positions) it seems that *(hn. > han > an in a
syllable) but (*n. > ne/eN in most positions).

Putting these together the order would be something
like:

h>mora/V_#
h1/3 > h2
o>a/_h2-
h2.>a
N.>aN/_-h2
C.>aC/-h2_
C.>Ca/_h2-
h>mora/V_-
o:>u:
e:>i:
n.>ne/eN
r.>ri

To Irish:

e>i before Ng/NgW etc.

gW>b, NgW>mb

palatalization (so nasal may have different place of
articulation from following stop now)

"not" en- assimilates to following place of
articulation

e(>e~?)>a between N-N in same syllable

e(>e~?)>a before N-stop+voice with same place of
articulation

assimilation (nd^ > n^d^ etc.) but not at morpheme
boundaries?

more (as in previous descriptions)

So, maybe:

h1n.mn.- h2r.gHto- doh3no- n.gWn.- gHdo:m
h1n.mn.- h2r.kto- doh3no- n.gWn.- gHdo:m
h1n.mn.- h2r.kto- doh3no- n.gWn.- do:m
h2n.mn.- h2r.kto- dah2no- n.gWn.- do:m
h2anmn.- h2arkto- dah2no- n.gWn.- do:m
h2anmn.- h2arkto- da:no- n.gWn.- do:m
h2anmn.- h2arkto- da:no- n.gWn.- du:m
h2anmen- h2arkto- da:no- enWgWen- du:m
h2anmen- h2arkto- da:no- inWgWen- du:m
h2anmen- h2arkto- da:no- imben- du:m
anmen- arkto- da:no- imben- du:m
anmen- arkto- da:no- imben- du:n
anme arkto- da:no- imbe du:
anme arxto- da:no- imbe du:
anmYe arxto- da:no- imbYe du:
anmYe arxto- da:no- imYbYe du:
anmY arxt da:n imYbY du:
anmY art da:n imYbY du:
animY art da:n imYbY du:




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