[tied] Re: ph3 > b -> Albanian dë-borë Romanian zãpada and Dacia

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"

<alexandru_mg3@>

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci" <
> > > > > There isn't any dh~v alternation in dhemjë ~ vemjë
> > > > >
> > > > > An initial o:- passed to ve- (etc...) and an internal -o:-

> > > passed
> > > > to
> > > > > e (with the known exceptions)
> > > > >
> > > > > So we have Only o:- in vemjë and *dz- + o: in dhemjë
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Marius
> > > > ************
> > > > For, you say so, isn't it!
> > > >
> > > > Konushevci
> > >
> > >
> > > Abdullah, what are the outputs of an initial PAlb *o:- in Alb ?
> > > It's PAlb o:- > Alb. ve- also among these outputs?
> > >
> > > Marius
> > ************
> >
> > According to my attempts for an Albaniana Inherited Lexicon:
> >
> > *H2ewi-, colored to *H2awi- `bird'. 1. Alb. <vidë> `dove,

pigeon',

> > probably from extended form *H2awi-d-a:. Also with diminutive
> > suffix –ëz <vid-ëz> (cf. Lat. avis `bird'). 2. *o:w-yo > voe >
> > ve `egĝ (cf. Lat. o:vum, Gr. o:ion, Sl. jaja, ON egg, OI
> > avyaka `id.').
> >
> > *demel- `worm'. Alb. <dhemje> `caterpillar, larva', also
> > <vemje> `id.'. dhemizë `magot; blowfly', probably from

*dho:melyeH2

> > > dhemjë, later used as singularized plural <dhemje>: Epidaur.
> > Demeleas. (Pokorny demel- 201.)
> >
> > I will add to my previous derivation maybe s-mobile form *s-

demel-

> > yeH2, that fits better.
> >
> > Konushevci
> >
>
>
> 1. If Latin o:vum (or the PIE root for egg) gave => OAlb voe > Alb

ve

> is clear enough that the output of an initial o:- could

be 'directly'

> ve- without any prefix?
>
> 2. I said 'it could' not 'it was'....
>
> 3. So at least (based on the egg word) you need to agree that an
> initial ve- is possible to appear. Could you admit this

possibility?

> You need because 'is visible' in the 'egg' word: ve
>
>
> 4. Do we need to follow all the possibilities or only some of them?
> For sure we need to follow all of them.
>
>
> 5. Following also this possibility ve- < o:- and applying it to

vemjë

> we will obtained: o:mj-ë => Strange! We have a word in Romanian
> o:midã 'caterpillar' => "so very similar" in meaning, isn't it,

with

> vemjë?
>
> 6. Still Following this possibility => if we will complete o:mj-ë
> with 'the Romanian' -d- we will obtain the same PAlb word : *o:mid&
>
> 7. Is an intervocalic -d- (at least in multi-syllabic words)

dropped

> in Albanian ? Yes, It is. So o:mid& > vemj& is completly regular

in

> Albanian.
>
>
> 8. Is *o:mida: a valid PAlb possibility for Albanian vemjë? Yes

it

> is. If valid, could you ignore it? No you cannot.
>
> 9. Could we link dhemjë with vemjë? Yes, we could: the meaning is
> almost the same. Based on 8, could 'you imagine' now that v- is

not a

> prefix in vemjë ? I hope so , because you can see now that it

could

> arrive from an o:- => and finally could you imagine that it could
> happened not to be any alternating prefix dh <-> v in vemjë~dhemjë

=>

> and that finally the prefix is only *dz- > Albanian dh- and a long
> o: ? I hope so...
>
> 10. Based on 1-9 : is Ok for you to answer me as: "For, you say

so,

> isn't it!?" I can answer to you: No, is not Ok!
>
> Of course, you can answer me as you want, but finally will be bad

for

> you to ignore such a possibility...that is constructed based on

three

> forms: Albanians vemjë/dhemjë and Romanian omida. Or 'you prefer'

to

> simple ignore Romanian omida? I hope not.
>
> Marius

************
DEX has explicitly <omída> with accent in second syllable from New
Greek <o mídas> with the preservation of position of accent. So, you
may sepculate as much as you wish and for me this case is finished.

Konushevci