Re: ph3 > b PIE transformation?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
>
> Is ph3 > b a PIE tranformation or it appears independently in
> different languages?
>
> As an example we have
>
> *h2eph3-o-l- > Celtic *ablu => Old Irish ubull
> *h2ph3-l-o- > Slavic *jabl&k& => OCS abl&ko
>
> see also
> *h2ep-h3on- 'river'
>
> Question: could somebody help me with the meaning of the suffix *-
> h3on ? Also if it can be decomposed in h3o-n- or not
>
> I'm especially interested related to a derivation of Romanian abur
> Alb avull => as *h2ep-h3o- + *-ulo. Hamp's n.bh-lo > Dacian *abula
> cannot explains why the intervocalic b is preserved in Romanian...
>
> Note: also ph3 > b 'is available' for Dacian also if kinuboila
> translation is 'dog's apple'
>
> http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/thrac/thrac_3.html
> "7. dinupula (sinupyla) `wild pumpkin' (Pseudoap.). Opposite to

the

> Dacian name of this plant kinuboila (Dioskur.) Pseudoapuleus noted
> that the Besses call it dinupula or sinupyla, the latter
> reconstructed from the text "Bessi nupyla" instead of "Bessi (si)
> nupyla".[...] Lith. ~sùn-obuolas with the same meaning."
>
>
> Thansk a lot,
> Marius
>

In this case Albanian borë 'snow' would be from a 'water' root too:
*h2p-h3-

Note: Albanian borë is 'usually' considered from the PIE *bher- 'to
strew, spread; fall' => a 'forced semantism' from my point of view.

'I'm curios' also what is the origin and the meaning of the preffix
dë- in dë-borë 'snow' => Should be something like: Alb dë- < PAlb
*dza- < *g^(H)o- ...

Thanks too,
Marius