Re[2]: [tied] PIE prek'- ; prok' ; prk'- 'to ask'

At 8:10:54 PM on Wednesday, March 8, 2006, alexandru_mg3
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...>
> wrote:

>> --- alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

[...]

>>> Being for sure now, a later formation could be : an
>>> internal one or a loan *=> you need to accept at least
>>> the possibility to be a loan once it couldn't be derived
>>> directly from PIE)

>> ****GK: If a term can be understood to be the outcome
>> of an internal development, the "possibility" of a
>> loan becomes utterly remote.******

>> Now let me ask you this: why do you suppose Slavs had to
>> "borrow" a foreign concept as fundamental as "cause"?

> I don't know...maybe because that concept wasn't 'so
> fundamental' for them as you think (this is a joke,
> George)

>> How did they express this concept prior to
>> their advent into the Balkans? On the totally
>> incredible assumption that they had no such concept of
>> their own before the 6th century AD, why would they
>> not have borrowed it from the language of other
>> powerful neighbours such as the Sarmatians or the
>> Goths? Or even the Greeks?

> Now seriously:

> It's simple: because the meaning 'cause' is a later
> generalization (any generalization arrived 'later',

This misses George's point completely. If the Slavs already
had a word meaning 'cause', what was it, and why did they
borrow another after they got to the Balkans? You surely
don't seriously want to maintain that they had no word for
it before then, do you?

[...]

> Some additional Notes (not linked with the topic): a) I
> will exclude from your 'assertions' the paragraph with
> 'that powerfull neighbours' ...and of course, 'the less
> powerfull ones', isn't it, George?

No, it isn't: George said nothing about *more* or *less*
powerful neighbors. In fact, his phrase 'other powerful
neighbors' actually implies that your preferred source was
*also* powerful.

And if you ignore this paragraph, you are ignoring an
important argument against your preferred scenario.

[...]

> b) However even taking your 'non-democratic-context' into
> account => if you quote here Sarmatians, Goths etc...'as
> more powerfull nations' than the 'Roman Empire' for sure
> you have some additional problems...

He didn't say that, either.

[...]

Brian