Re: [tied] Asko Parpola on The Nâsatyas, the chariot and Proto-Ary

From: george knysh
Message: 43572
Date: 2006-02-26

--- Juha Savolainen <juhavs@...> wrote:

>
> Dear list,
>
> In view of the ever-interesting topic of the arrival
> of Indo-European
> languages to Indian subcontinent, list members may
> be interested to
> know that Asko Parpola has recently made available
> his
>
> The Nâsatyas, the chariot and Proto-Aryan religion
>
> It can be downloaded at
>
> http://www.helsinki.fi/~aparpola/pub_int.html
>
> Cheers, Juha Savolainen


*****GK: Some aspects of Parpola's theory require
further corroboration.

1. I rather doubt that the quality of the listed
borrowed lexicon adequately proves the existence of an
Indo-Iranian ruling elite among the PFU-ians [ ORJA
(='slave')/p. 39/ is particularly suspect, and the
noted English parallel quite unconvincing], though it
certainly proves there was significant geographical
contact between the two groups.
2. I'm not at all certain that this contact was mainly
if not exclusively associated with such eastern
archaeological cultures as Sintashta et al. Kul'baka's
work (esp. "Indo-European tribes in Ukraine during the
palleometallic period" , Mariupol' 2000, ISBN
966-7329-30-5. Cf. also "Bronze Age somatic cults of
South Eastern Europe", Mariupol' 1998, ISBN
966-604-021-2; "The ancient Indo-Europeans of Ukraine
in the light of recent new archaeological findings",
Mariupol' Institute of Humanistics, 2002) has clearly
demonstrated the strong cultural affinities of most
groups of the Catacomb epoch (ca. 2900-2200 BCE) with
the "Aryan" branch of the IE-ans [the Mariivka
/Zaporizha obl./ war chariot is identical to that of
Parpola's fig. 1 from Sintashta, and is more ancient
by a few centuries: cf. Kul'baka, 2000, pp. 20, 56
/fig. 3, ns.14-15/]. So the borrowings could have
taken place along a pretty extensive frontier.
3. The identification of the DASYU/DASA with early
Iranian migrants into India is insufficiently
grounded.This fundamentally religious conception in
the RV could easily be a reminiscence of "pre-India"
conflicts.

But on the whole, and in detail, Parpola's essay is a
wonderful contribution to scholarship.


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