[tied] Re: Of cows and living

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> --- mkelkar2003 <smykelkar@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Anyways, one does not do science by first assuming
> > what one sets out
> > to prove as Klejn has done. Klejn (1984) is too old
> > and has been
> > superseded by latest archaeological research.
>
> ****GK: You don't seem to get it. Klejn assumes
> nothing of the kind. He simply points out that the
> affinities between the analyzed remnants of the
> Catacomb culture and the civilization described in the
> Rig Veda is not accidental.

Just like Klejn (1984) you are over looking the fact that the text of
the Rig Veda does not provide any evidence of presummed "invasions"
"migrations," "trickles" what ever one choses to call them. The Rig
Veda and Vedic civilization is *perfectly compatible* with Indus
Sarasvati Civilization i.e "Harrapa." The geography of the Rig Veda
has been firmly placed in the North West part of South Asia. See my
review of McIntosh (2001), Whether or not the Rig Veda is compatible
with any other culture is irrelavant. Occam's razor applies.



There is sufficient

> archaeological and linguistic evidence to indicate a
> gradual movement of post-Catacombers towards the south
> and southeast. That's good enough. And the "latest
> archaeological research" happens to be that of
> Kul'baka (described in his works of 1998, 2000, and
> 2002). It strongly confirms Klejn's main
> contention.******
> >
> > "There is no archaeological or biological evidence
> > for invasions or
> > mass migrations into the Indus Valley between the
> > end of the Harrpan
> > phase , about 1900 B.C., and the beginning of the
> > Early Historic
> > period around 600 B.C. (Kenoyer 1998, p. 174)."
>
> *****GK: There doesn't have to be. If the Indo-Aryans
> gradually moved towards India from the Eurasian
> steppes, their appearance in the Indus valley is
> hardly surprising.

Typically scientist are bothered if their theoris are not backed up by
evidence.

The lack of archaeological evidence

> only indicates there were very few "invaders". And
> there is nothing demonstrably "Indo-European" about
> Harappa...*****

Would any one care to define what is "Indo-European." Every single
flora and fauna mentioned in the Rig Veda occurs in the Indian
Subcontinent (Lal 2005, 2002). River Sarasvati has been traced by
the geologists as it once flowed from "moutains to the sea" just like
the Rig Veda mentions. See my review of McIntosh (2001), p. 22 of
proto vedic continuity.doc.

> > "There is, however, no compelling archaeological
> > evidence that they
> > (Andronovo and BMAC) had a common ancestor or that
> > either is
> > Indo-Iranian. Ethnicity and language are not easily
> > linked with an
> > archaeological signature, and the identity of the
> > Indo-Iranians
> > remains elusive, (Lamberg Karlovsky 2002,
> > parenthesis added)."
>
> *****GK: As to BMAC, I agree.If the Andronovo horizon
> is not fundamentally Indo-Iranian then the indubitable
> Indo-Iranian characteristics of daughter cultures
> becomes inexplicable.****

There is circular reasoning here. The fact is archaeologist are not
able link any speific culture to "Indo-Iranians." This is a sobering
reminder to the IEL community that their linguistically reconstructed
families are hypothetical. If the data does not fit theories then the
theories are wrong not the data.

M. kelkar

> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>