From: mkelkar2003
Message: 43531
Date: 2006-02-23
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
The OIT is a total non-starter in this
> respect. It's not even headed towards the ballpark. It
> is a complete and utter waste of time.*****
The OIT may not be a non starter. See below (Kalyanaraman and Kelkar
2005).
"Section 11.12: A plausible scenario for emigration of PIE dialects
out of South Asia
<http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/articles/aid/keaitlin1.html>
"Gamkrelidze and Ivanov (1995:348-350) have built an impressive
reconstruction of such successive migrations on an impressive survey
of the linguistic material. To summarize:
1) Initially, there was a single PIE language.
2) The first division of PIE yielded two dialect groups, which will be
called A and B. Originally they co-existed in the same area, and
influenced each other, but geographical separation put an end to this
interaction.
3) In zone A, one dialect split off, probably by geographical
separation (whether it was its own speakers or those of the other
dialects who emigrated from the Urheimat, is not yet at issue), and
went on to develop separately and become Anatolian.
4) The remainder of the A group acquired the distinctive
characteristics of the Tocharo-Italo-Celtic subgroup.
5) While the A remainder differentiated into Italo-Celtic and
Tokharic, the B group differentiated into a "northern" or
Balto-Slavic-Germanic and a "southern" or Greek-Armenian-Aryan group;
note that the kentum/satem divide only affects the B group, and does
not come in the way of other and more important isoglosses
distinguishing the northern group (with kentum Germanic and
predominantly satem Baltic and Slavic) from the southern group (with
kentum Greek and satem Armenian and Aryan)."
The best fit model obtained by Ringe et. al. fits the above secnerio
very well. Germanic oscillates just like it is supposed to assuming a
South Asian homeland. Elst's (2000) Group A would be far right in Fig
12 and Group B far
left.
Fig 12, p. 22 of
<<http://www.cs.rice.edu/~nakhleh/Papers/81.2nakhleh.pdf>"
Part of the problem is the family tree handed down to you by 18th
century linguists. Whoever worked out that tree under dimming candle
light, simply stuck a pin right in the middle between Ireland and
British India and then laid out a tree RADIALLY branching out from
that center. Thats why Albanian, Armenian and Greek have been left
out dangling by themselves.
M. Kelkar
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