[tied] Re: The physical type of proto-Indo-Europeans

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrus Parsi" <ling@...> wrote:

>
> Dear all,
>
> While it may be assumed to be wrong to oversimplistically equate

RACE with

> LANGUAGE as a hard and fast general rule, especially since the

modern ages

> of widespread migrations, cross-cultural and cross-racial intermarriages
> in newly founded countries based on melting pots like in America

(South and

> North alike),
> not to mention the distant effects of linguistic
> acculturation/deculturation/imperialism (whatever one shall call it)
> bequeathed down from the colonial eras of ancient (i.e. forced

latinizing

> and racial intermingling imposed on Roman conquered provinces) and

modern

> times (European colonial empires),
> one must not deny the obvious fact that there has always been a strong
> CORRELATION between
> RACE and LANGUAGE, as has amply been proven not only by genetics

(exploring

> the genotypes),
> but also more evidently simply by the phenotypes (outward racial
> appeareance) of Indo-Europeans:
> e.g. there are striking similitudes in the facial features of many

Northern

> Indians, Persians and Europeans,
> attesting to an Indo-European common ancestry.

Please refer to our paper, proto vedic continuity theory.doc in the
files section. Thanks!

M. kelkar

"Geneticist Olson on the "Caucasian" features of some Indians:
"Consider the people of India. Physical anthropologists traditionally
have classfiedIndians as "Caucasians," a term invented in the
eighteenth century to describe people with a particular set of facial
features. But this classification has never sat particularly well with
some Europeans, who were offended by being lumped with the
dark-skinned people of the (Indian) subcontinent. Gradually a kind of
folk explanation emerged, which held that several thousand years ago
(1500 B.C.)India was overrun by invaders from Europe (aka the AIT!).
These light skinned warriors (aka the chariot riding "Aryans.")
interbred with the existing dark-skinned populations (or the "dasyus")
that the Indians acqired European features (and the "IE languages").

Recent studies of mitochondrial DNA and the Y chromosome have revealed
a different picture. Incursions of people from Europe into India have
certainly occurred, but they have been less extensive than supposed,
and genes have flowed in the opposite direction as well (meaning no
support for the AIT and support for the OIT). The physical resemblance
of Europeans to Indians appears instead to have resulted largely from
their common descent from the modern humans who left Afica for Eurasia
(Olson, 2002, p. 160-161, all parantheses added)."

Olson, Steve, (2002), Mapping Human History: Discovering the Past
Through Our Genes, Boston, New York: Houghton Mifflin Company.

>
> Besides, to harp back on an old, if not corny, cliché, blue-eyed
> fair-skinned Nordic-looking Persians or Indians with typically European
> facial bone structures are infinitely more numerous than you would

think...

>
> Just as a reminder, when Prof. Victor Mair somewhat pompously announced
> (back in 1997) the long-awaited results of Mitchrondrial DNA analysis
> performed by Prof. Paolo Francalacci on Xinjiang mummies sample tissues
> (while Prof. Cavalli-Sforza had defected from the scientific team

that had

> been sent to China), confirming their PURELY Indo-European (possibily
> ancient Tokharian or Persian) origins, someone in the audience stood

up and

> naively exclaimed :
> "Why did we have to wait so long to learn what we already knew by

the very

> look of these mummies?".
> Well the answer may well be that sceptics need scientific proof more

than

> Science itself...
>
> Regards
>
> Cyrus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P&G" <G&P@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The physical type of proto-Indo-Europeans
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> > > Is it well documented what the original Indo-Europeans looked like.
> >
> > Don't confuse race with language. Even if we could recover what some
> > original race looked like, there is nothing to stop other races

speaking

> the
> > same language.
> >
> > Peter
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