Re: [tied] Re: Of cows and living

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 43356
Date: 2006-02-10

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:43:02 +0000, Jens Elmegård Rasmussen
<elme@...> wrote:

>--- In, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
>> I've been thinking about the odd form of the verb 'to live' in
>> *gWíh3w-e/o-. It is usually thought to have been influenced by (or
>> on) the adjective *gWih3wó-, but the relationship is strangely
>> (why not a regular stative *gWih3we-h1-je/o-?), and if it is some
>> archaic (and otherwise unknown) kind of present stem derived
>> from the adjective without any suffixes, I still don't understand
>> accent shift in the verb. I wouldn't expect any such thing, least
>of all
>> when the shift is to a nil-grade root syllable (cf. the <tudáti>
>> The accent shift, however, would be understandable in a
>> thematic present of the type represented by *sí-sd-e/o- or
>> *stí-sth2-e/o-, where we have accent retraction in originally
>> trisyllabic stems (from something like **se-sed-é-). If so,
>> would make sense as *gWí-h3w-e/o-, with *h3 < *g(W) by simple
>> dissimilation. The adjective would then be deverbal rather than
>> other way round, and its accent on the thematic vowel is normal.
>At the
>> moment I prefer to leave open the question whether PGmc. *kwikwa-
>is an
>> archaism or an accidental "evolutionary reversal". Suffice it to
>> that the obscuration of the structure of *gWig(W)w-e/o- > *gWih3w-
>> resulted its reanalysis and the backformation of the "neo-root"
>> *gWih3(w)-, with its own retinue of derivatives.
>> If the original root was of the form *gWeu-, then in turn
>the 'cow, head
>> of cattle' word, *gWo:u-s, can be analysed as a corresponding root
>> (for the 'livestock' semantics, cf. *bHuh2-tlo- >
>*bydlo 'existence,
>> residence' --> 'cattle' in Slavic).
>This is truly ingenious, and there must be something correct in it.
>The unexpected regularity of the present stem *gWí-h3w-e/o- is
>enough to win me over.


I'd add that Germanic *kwikwa- is ammunition too good to

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal